I measure the effective top tube length.  When I bought the frame, I was 
aware that the geo-chart said 59, and Keven pointed out to me that it was 
really 57.5cm, which I measured and confirmed.  I don't know how many Sam's 
have a 59cm top tube and how many have a 57.5cm top tube.  


On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 2:54:18 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Mine is a green Hillborne, Taiwan built, with cantis. Will had told me it 
> is a 2012, but I dont know. BIll, are you measuring the 'effective' top 
> tube or the actual?
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 5:45:39 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>  I believe those .65/.45/.65 wall thickness numbers for the Roadeo.  
>>
>> "planing" zealots dismiss the Roadeo as 'massively overbuilt' and 'far 
>> too stiff' because it features OS tubing in the top tube and the downtube. 
>>  The Roadeo top tube is 28.6mm in diameter, and planing zealots will assure 
>> you it should be 25.4mm.  The Roadeo downtube is 31.8mm in diameter, and 
>> planing zealots will assure you it should be 28.6mm.  
>>
>> If you believe it is impossible for a bicycle to be too flexible, then 
>> you might disapprove of the Roadeo.  If you believe (as Grant does) that it 
>> is possible for a bicycle to be too flexible, then the Roadeo might be 
>> worth consideration.  If you are avoiding a Roadeo because you want a steel 
>> frame and fork that is lighter weight, then you won't find a lot of weight 
>> savings.  Just a few ounces here and there.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> P.S. Earlier in this thread Belopsky expressed shock that a geo chart 
>> said his Hillborne had a 59cm top tube.  Be aware that not every 56cm 
>> Hillborne had a 59cm top tube.  Mine has a 57.5cm top tube.  Mine was 
>> purchased in 12/2009.  Those that preceded mine had a 59cm top tube.  Riv 
>> tweaks numbers from time to time, and are sometimes reluctant to revise and 
>> revise geo charts, because earnest customers get themselves tied up in 
>> handwringing over the numbers at times.  
>>
>

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