in 1991 'planing' wasn't a word.  In 1991, Grant was arguing for some flex, 
because in 1991, the 'stiffer is better' movement had come to dominate the 
industry.  In that context, Grant is arguing for flex.  But, Grant has 
consistently said that a bike can be too flexible and a bike can be too 
stiff, and he tries to design bikes in the middle.  

In 2016, there are planing zealots who believe that it is not possible for 
a bike to be too flexible.  To those people, Rivendells are considered 
overbuilt and over stiff.  Grant has stuck with his opinion that a little 
flex is good and too much flex is bad.  People who want more flex than a 
Rivendell offers should go buy another bike that flexes to their liking. 
 Rivendell will likely never build a bike that Grant believes is too 
flexible.  As long as Jan Heine's influence is around, there will be many 
people who think Rivendells are stiffer than necessary for spirited riding. 
 People with those opinions and with a fair bit of money and patience 
should probably go buy a gorgeous M.A.P. and ride away happy.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
>  So if  he knows about the benefits of planing I wonder why he stopped 
> making frames that will plane for light riders with light loads? I wonder 
> why he went to the oversized thicker wall  tubes that  makes it harder for 
> a bike to  flex ? 

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