Coincidently, 

'In other words, when you straddle your bike, your genitals may rest on the 
top tube, but your pubic bone will easily clear it -- as you'll notice if 
you grab a handful of genitals and pull up.' is how the Hillborne fits me. 

The question I ponder, for the sake of pondering, is will the bike feel 
comfortable for me with a 80mm stem with drop bars and bars at saddle 
height (as compared to my All-City with a 90mm,10* threadless stem).

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 1:09:25 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> I've found from experience not to even go by frame size it can vary so 
> much depending in wheel size, frame design, BB drop, etc.
> I go strictly by standover height & then I decide how long a top tube I 
> will need based on, how I intend to set up/ride the bike.
> Keven measured my PBH @ 82 when I was out there last year, but I feel like 
> it hardly matters because I know from experience that a standover of 77 is 
> about optimal for me, any more then that and my boys start contacting the 
> top tube a little more then is comfortable.
> Ideally, I think you should be able to stand flat-footed on the bike 
> without hurting yourself.

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