Most of the thread has focused on the benefits/deteriments for off-roading, 
but I feel that the long chainstay thing has real benefits for 
road/pavement riding with upright bars.  I've done a fair bit of riding on 
bikes with "normal" chainstays (Quickbeam and LHT) and upright handlebars 
(Alba, Bosco, Avenir Circa) and when you really raise the bars for comfort, 
you noticeably reduce the weight on the front wheel, making the controls a 
bit more squirrely and making you less confident about cornering with real 
speed, lest the front wheel washes out on you.  The long chainstays 
redistribute the weight and help have more cornering confidence with an 
upright riding position.  Maybe not a big deal for some but maybe something 
you think about if, for instance, you ride your bike with upright bars up 
Mt. Diablo and then do the very curvy descent down.  

At least that's my understanding of the theory/impetus behind the long stay 
bikes, from talking to Keven and reading Grant's words, and my experience 
riding longtail cargo bikes.  I just built up my Clem and it definitely has 
a lot more front wheel authority than my LHT did with upright bars.  I 
haven't ridden it much but I'm looking forward to getting more miles on a 
Riv long chainstay design, both on road and off

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 3:12:12 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> More rivmodels headed that way.
>
> Cant think of any benefits other than stability, which rivs already have 
> plenty of, off top of my head.
> Was wondering what makes it worth the extra weight, 2 chains needed, and 
> less maneuverability due to longer bike length in garages, near bike racks, 
> BARTs, carrying through house, etc,
>

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