Jitensha has complete instructions for Honjos:
http://www.jitensha.com/eng/honjinstl.html

(They also have some geared hubs, and some nice old shoes if you wear
37-41, on remainder.)

Andy: what happened to the other rider's CF bike, to make it inoperable?
And you came away with a slight dent in the fender?

FWIW, the once or twice I've used VOs, the coverage was very complete -- I
didn't even need a mud flap in front, as the fender came down to 3" or so
from the ground -- this a 700C X 35 fender on a 700C X 29 tire.

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 5:04 AM, ascpgh <asc....@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have both. Honjos on my Rambouillet, VO Zeppelins on my commuter and
> that's been a perfect distribution based on each's particulars.
>
> Honjos may not be the best for a first time installation unless you are
> careful, useful with your tools and have finished all your other chores (I
> got mine undrilled, with all the parts from a list member). Used Jan
> Heine's article in BQ as my instructions. Thin, light and quiet. Pricey,
> unless sourced as I did, but really do have a good visual result.
>
> The hammered pattern has a small crease on the rear where a
> plastic-go-faster goober rear ended me with a brake/shifter at a stoplight
> downtown (head aero-tucked and intention to run the light to preserve a
> Strava segment record?). Her bike rendered inoperable as a result. Honjo
> vs. brifter? Fender won that time not needing adjustment to ride on.
>
> VOs came with holes drilled, parts and instructions. After having learned
> on the Honjos, these went quickly. I did redrill the front one to rotate
> more fender behind the wheel so I didn't need a foot long flap for best
> spray protection. Thicker metal, bigger stays, a bit less coverage length
> than comparable Honjos, but quiet and half the price. Have taken the
> bashing of year round commuting, parking in racks and a couple of spills
> with aplomb and no visible damage. Whatever negatives they may have are
> lost in their performance of function.
>
> Honjos if you want light, longer, precise placement of that coverage,
> don't mind the cost for more refined aesthetic and feel handy enough after
> reading the BQ article.
>
> VO if the utter weight is less of a concern, having them prepped for your
> installation is attractive, and don't mind the difference in length to the
> comparable product. You still have to install them. Even if you intend to
> just take them to a bike shop, don't.
>
> Read how to and install your fenders yourself. You will have more acuity
> of the details, appreciation of the fender line and exactitude of the
> execution than a shop mechanic would and every time you ride this fact will
> revisit and torture your soul. This applies unless you patronize a very
> informed, Bob-like shop that can swim out of the mainstream and remain
> fiscally pertinent while acquiring knowledge and skill in bizarre low
> frequency subjects like low trail, hub generators, fenders, bags and racks,
> etc.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>

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