On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:50 AM, JoelMatthews <[email protected]> wrote:
>> With the apparent popularity of the Atlantis frame as the basis of an
>> "all-rounder" type bicycle, I wonder why Grant doesn't source it
>> domestically.
>
> That is a good question which has been debated off and on here
> before.  I think Waterford either does not have capacity with
> everything else it is doing or does not want to make something that
> competes with its product and some of its other subcontracting
> products.  Personally I would like to see it happen.


I've wondered this too, because it seems like there's a price point at
which it makes sense to have those same frames produced in the US
rather than Japan. Part of the problem is that there are few options
domestically for getting mid-size batches of production frames built
outside of Waterford, and it's not clear that Waterford is interested
(or maybe able) to make the quantities that they'd need for the
Atlantis at the right price.

Also, while there are some exceptions for short-run bikes (such as the
Legolas and the very early models), it seems like Grant has tied frame
models to their source. It seems like, for him, if an Atlantis is
built by someone other than Toyo, it's no longer an Atlantis but a
different model. Because he's been very transparent about the source
for frames, maybe Riv buyers are overly aware of this and it becomes a
problem to switch builders (unsold old models, or people seeing the
new source as inferior). Maybe it's just easier to make big enough
changes that the change in source isn't the focus.

-- 
Bill Connell
St. Paul, MN

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