I feel the same as you about the ultimate aesthetic. What got me thinking on this topic is my new tigged 2009 Fuji Touring. It rides as good as, if not better than, any other steel bike I have ever owned. Tigged in China. Not so pretty of paint or quality of welds. But there is absolutely something about the frameset and the ride that is blowing my mind. I was riding it the other day and thought, wow if only Grant would do one of these with same lively ride, but with the touches only he could do for the aesthetics...even to a tigged bike. I think the Fuji must be using some lighter springier tubes or something. Think the Roadeo fits into the lightweight flyer class. That is my preferred style of riding. Nothing more than an occasional small trunk bag of weight. So I still want a lightweight Riv, tigged, tall headtube, threaded fork, vbrakes, and 700C. Grant could do it best. Gunnar Sport is close, but no quills, brazeons?, no vbrakes...but good geo.
On Dec 10, 4:16 pm, Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, I have a 1996 All Rounder (lugged), a ~1995 Ritchey (fillet > brazed) and a 1998 Gunnar Crosshairs (TIG). Two of the three were > made in Waterford WI. > > The Gunnar rides great. Handles superbly, light, stiff enough > (Reynolds 853 in those days). But it doesn't inspire. It's the > utility bike, the one I put in the trunk when I take a trip > somewhere, the one I ride in iffy weather but it's only the bike of > choice when I intend to ride a lot off road. I don't go down to the > basement and say "I want to ride the Gunnar." I go downstairs and > say "I want to ride the Riv" or "I want to ride the Ritchey." > > Neither the Riv nor the Ritchey have a superior ride to the Gunnar. > They're not exactly the same but they're all very good. The Riv is > the most comfortable bike I have ever owned and is the most adaptable > bike I can imagine- it lives up to its name. It's been a mountain > bike, a commuter bike, a racing club training ride bike, a > randonneuse and it's done them all with aplomb. The Ritchey is > pretty comfortable and is the best-handling race bike I ever had, > better than any fancy Reparto Corsa Italian job or anything > specialized for racing. I think that bike around corners, I don't > steer it. The Gunnar sort of splits the difference between them and > handles particularly well off-road. > > But the Gunnar doesn't inspire and I think that is purely about > aesthetics. The undeniable craftsmanship of the Gunnar frame is very > evident. But TIG welds just don't move me the way a finely shaped > and filed lug does or the graceful curve of a fillet. Call me > shallow and vain, it'd be true enough, but the aesthetic of TIG > doesn't do it for me. I don't think it's a worse way to stick tubes > together from a mechanical perspective- TIG frames have proven to be > effective and durable. I don't look down on TIG frames- they just > don't make my heart sing. Obviously there are many people who feel > the opposite and more power to 'em. I'm delighted that choices > remain in the world of cycling and we can all pick up something that > stirs us and makes us chafe to get out for a ride. > > As for a TIG'd Rivendell... it would ride like a Riv. It would be > functionally the same as a Riv. But it wouldn't be a Riv IMHO. A > Riv to me is not defined by frame geometry or shellac or twine. It's > defined by the overall aesthetic as expressed through the details- > the curving shoreline, the cutouts, the bar height relative to the > saddle, the fat tires, etc. etc. > > YMMV. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
