I think we all hope to sway people to our point of view and end the conflict or 
disagreement by what we seee as rational means, but rarely does it happen; 
people are too invested in their own points of view & initially at least their 
mind won't be swayed. It takes time for an idea to be absorbed into the pyschy 
and even then sometimes a radical life changing event for people to realize 
that maybe they were wrong.
Unfortunately,  it takes a very powerful prophet or public speaker to 
eloquently alter the way we think about things and unfortunately most of us 
don't have that skill.  So try as we might things just digress and this thread 
is a fine example. ;-)

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