So, rather different than the 23 mm Pro Race *Service Course.* I would be interested in trying them, if they were made in 559 X 28+. To save ~$500 on my next 6 pairs of tires ...
Aside: I briefly tried Schwalbe's 559 X ~33 mm Kojak *tubeless* on my EQ 21 rims. They ride much differently sans tube than with even a light sub 90 gram 650C X 23 mm tube. Alas, while they maintained a seal while under sufficient pressure, when they deflated, the seal released, and I could not get it back with a hand pump -- which made the arrangement useless for my purposes -- I don't want to be left 20 miles from home, on some isolated dirt road, with no option but to install a tube in the messy tire -- and risk further flats with no further recourse. It's too bad, because the ~32-33 mm softness of the un-be-tubed Kojak was almost as good in feel as, and better in sand/dirt/gravel traction than, the tubed Elk Pass. Compass does not make the EP in tubeless form. On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Don Compton <dpco...@gmail.com> wrote: > Pat, > The new Michelen that I bought is a new tire. Max lbs 85, min 57. I have > used Grand Bois Cerfs for years and have always liked them. But, I was > lured into giving the Michelens a try. I really like them. I don't ride off > road much ( although I rode on a 2 mile stretch of gravel on Monday), but > our roads have a lot of potholes and just plain bad pavement. The 28 size > at the 62f,72r works for me on any road surface. > Don > > On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 6:18:24 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> Sheesh! Not 12 pair, 6 pair, at $78/each. >> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> BTW, the Pro Race 4s I bought were the *Service Course"* model-- racing >>> tires, no flat protection included. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This may or may not be relevant, but in case it is: I swapped the 650C >>>> X 23 mm Pro Race 4s on my Riv custom gofast with 559 X 32 mm Compass Elk >>>> Pass ELs. The Michelins measured ~22 mm on my 19 outside to outside rims, >>>> the Compass ~28 mm. >>>> >>>> The Michelins weigh just under 200 grams, the EPs average (weighed 3) >>>> 175 grams. >>>> >>>> The gear on the Michelins (46X15 fixed) is 75", that on the EPs is 76: >>>> 24.5" and 24.75" diameter respectively. >>>> >>>> *The Elk Passes are smoother, feel faster, and seem to allow me to >>>> pedal a very slightly higher gear with less effort,* measuring the >>>> last with cadence compared to effort in well known conditions. >>>> >>>> 5'10" in flat feet on a polished cement floor, 170 lb buck nekkid (and >>>> ain't *that* a horrible image). >>>> >>>> Me, I've spent close to $1K on 12 pr of Elk Passes, to stock up, and if >>>> Jan ever says that they are going to stop production, I'll buy another >>>> $1K's worth. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Don Compton <dpc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new >>>>> one( $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western >>>>> Bikeworks >>>>> had a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4 >>>>> Endurance 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is >>>>> superb. 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