yeah...I lied $515 on Riv site. But I like White industries because I also have their ENO SS freewheel on my PX-10 and I love it...got it because the inexpensive SS freewheels were noisy and felt sloppy and it seems like it's ready to survive the apocalypse. And I like nice hubs, and the WI's in silver will be pretty I think.
On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 3:16:38 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote: > > Hi Ryan, > > It is the cassette version... and it definitely was hideously expensive. > Thankfully I got a big time break from the shop in exchange for some other > services. The White hubs are gorgeous to though. I've never owned white > hubs, but do have their ENO freewheel which has been bombproof for years > now. It gets the worst treatment of anything I've got - rain and snow and > slush all the time. Keeps on tickin. I'd be very keen on using them over > Phil next time it comes up. > > That said, the new Shimano freehub sounds very appealing. Have you read > about it? It's basically a reverse Chris King concept. A ratchet ring but > the spring pulls them apart when you cost, and together when you pedal, > meaning you have a dead silent wheel while coasting. No constant wear and > tear. I think they come out next year in either XTR or DuraAce first. > > On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote: >> >> Hiya Mark >> >> >> Just a quick question...your Phil hub is a free hub, not the hideously >> expensive (595.00 US$) cassette version, right? Which I was briefly >> considering for my mixte until I looked at the price and Mark at Riv >> suggested that the White industries M15's would be the way to go if I must >> have bling...yes I must. >> >> Thanks! >> >> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote: >>> >>> Yup, totally agree. Even in summer I had occasional sticking using >>> tenacious oil. Since running into this issue, I've learned of two others >>> with the identical problem. One locally, one from Colarado. I'm just glad >>> it's working well now :) >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:25 AM, dougP <doug...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> "For reference, the factory supplied Phil Wood pawl lube is a mix of >>>> something around 9 parts tenacious oil to 1 part phil grease."' >>>> >>>> Phil's Tenacious is quite thick even in moderate temps. No wonder it's >>>> problematic under your temp conditions. Throw in some grease for >>>> stickiness & voila, sticking pawls. I've used Phil's Tenacious in >>>> freehubs >>>> & have one with over 50,000 miles on it that still works fine. I never >>>> guessed one could last so long & just wondering how long it will go. >>>> >>>> dougP >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 7:16:54 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Agreed re: TriFlow as a winter-only oil. It's been in there a couple >>>>> weeks now and the hub has never ran so nicely. I'll open it up later this >>>>> week and see how things are looking inside. >>>>> >>>>> The 10w-40 oil was something I started using in the fall, so it was >>>>> too heavy even in near-freezing temperatures. Pretty surprising how >>>>> sensitive this freehub is to viscosity. A lower synthetic oil is a good >>>>> idea though. >>>>> >>>>> For reference, the factory supplied Phil Wood pawl lube is a mix of >>>>> something around 9 parts tenacious oil to 1 part phil grease. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 8:40:54 AM UTC-6, Brian Campbell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I was wondering if a 50/50 split of 5w30 motor oil and Automatic >>>>>> Transmission fluid would do it? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 8:54:17 PM UTC-5, Bill M. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At temperatures that low, the pour point of the lubricant would >>>>>>> start to matter. Phil Tenacious Oil is probably molasses at -40. I >>>>>>> can't >>>>>>> find detailed specs for Tri Flow, but the MSDS says its flash point is >>>>>>> pretty low (170 degrees), indicating a fair portion of it is pretty >>>>>>> light >>>>>>> oil so it probably does flow at a low temperature. Sewing machine oils >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> 3-in-One would perform similarly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not a huge fan of using motor oil outside of engines, but you >>>>>>> could go to a 0W-20 synthetic motor oil to get a very low pour point. >>>>>>> Synthetic oils have an inherently high viscosity index, which means >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> don't change viscosity with temperature as much as mineral oils. That >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> property would help maintain lubrication film strength when the weather >>>>>>> warms up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you stick with Tri Flow, consider using it as a winter-only oil, >>>>>>> and relubricating with something a bit heavier for the warm months. No >>>>>>> sense wearing out an expensive hub prematurely. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>> Stockton, CA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 1:05:09 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good question! I did a quick Google and it seems they have their >>>>>>>> own brand of 'all season' oil, but I didn't find anything else. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've tried Phil pawl lube, tenacious oil, 10w40 motor oil, various >>>>>>>> chain lubes, etc. Triflow is the only thing I've found to work >>>>>>>> consistently >>>>>>>> below -10C. Even -5C was getting my 10w40 lube sticking a bit, which I >>>>>>>> found surprising. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Strangely enough, my older 3-pawl phil wood road hub has never >>>>>>>> skipped in any temperatures, ever. But this new and 'improved' 4-pawl >>>>>>>> design Phil came out with a year or two ago has been brutal. This is >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> third freehub and my first time since getting the Atlantis that I've >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> able to ride in the cold without it skipping. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I got the minimal and ultra light lube idea from some riders up in >>>>>>>> Alaska who used a few drops of Singer sewing machine oil. It's pretty >>>>>>>> similar to TriFlow. TriFlow is supposed to be good to -60C. I've had >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> 'pleasure' of trying it down to -40C and it's been working well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A friend of mine just bought a Rohloff, I'll ask him about its low >>>>>>>> temp performance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 2:50:47 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What lube is used in Rohloff hubs? That would seem to be a tricky >>>>>>>>> problem, given all the whirling bits. And the Germans deal with real >>>>>>>>> winter. Maybe ATF? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> dougP >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 12:18:04 PM UTC-8, Deacon >>>>>>>>> Patrick wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Amazing how our mitochondria adapt to the seasons so swiftly, >>>>>>>>>> helping us generate heat more than go in the winter and go more than >>>>>>>>>> heat >>>>>>>>>> in the winter. perhaps poor Phil's pawls need a mitochondria lube? >>>>>>>>>> Grin. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Love your pictures as always! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With abandon, >>>>>>>>>> Patrick >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 12:37:51 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> After sitting in the deep freeze so long, my body is all out of >>>>>>>>>>> wack and was feeling quite happy to ride for a few hours in nothing >>>>>>>>>>> but a >>>>>>>>>>> wool jersey and jeans. 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