El Sapo wrote: *"I can't figure out why Riv went this way? Can you?"*

I suspect because A. they are ergonomically pretty sweet the way Riv has 
'em set up--they have that little dog leg that makes it work without really 
having to move your hand from the grip one bit, just wiggle that thumb.B. 
they are not your average bear. C. they probably got them at a pretty sweet 
price.

Bill L. wrote: *"They are friction shifters.  If I get a ghost shift I 
didn't do it right.  Friction shifting isn't for everyone."*  I mentioned 
in a previous post on this thread that most of my bicycles are set up with 
friction shifting of one sort or another. While I am not a pro level 
mechanic,  I have set up many bikes with friction. Though in fact I did not 
set these up--I got the complete build direct from Riv. 

I rode the bike to work and back today (been taking the Big Dummy because 
it has a more robust lighting system) and again plagued with ghost 
shifting. After some force on the pedals, it will ghost shift. Sometimes 
not until you ease off a bit, three or four crank revolutions later. Weird.

I have checked all the usual things one checks when this problem 
occurs--tightening down the ratchet mech, making sure there is not too much 
slack in the cable, checking that the wire is not getting snagged or 
otherwise hung up on the bb guide, making sure there is a gentle bend to 
the housing going to the rear der. 

There may be a simple fix that I have overlooked, but because I am not the 
only person reporting this issue I suspect that it may be possible that at 
least some of these shifters may have trouble holding the cable tension, 
even when tightened to the max. There is definitely play in mine, though 
how or if that contributes I don't know. At least some of them must work 
fine, since I am sure Riv did test these. Maybe it is also aggravated by a 
particular riding style, though I am not doing anything overly gonzo or 
mashing the gears. I like to get out of the saddle for a rise occasionally 
rather than shift, but I am pretty smooth about it.

I am not one to expect perfection in my bicycles, but this is kind of 
maddening and a little disappointing. It's disconcerting riding along 
nicely but always anticipating a crunchy, grindy, skippy ghost shift. And 
when riding in traffic it can be downright unnerving. 



On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 5:13:41 PM UTC-5, El Sapo wrote:
>
> Hey Bill, just for my own clarification, these Clem shifters have "click" 
> indexed stops. My understating of friction shifters is that they are 
> without the indexing click stops. 
>
> So what happens is that the shifter wants to find the click, the index 
> point and rest there. But that's not the right place so you have to pass it 
> and come back or find a intermediate spot. You'll see soon enough what 
> we're talking about especially if you are riding hills.  
>
>  there are plain friction and 8 speed indexed shifters available. I can't 
> figure out why Riv went this way? Can you?
>
>

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