On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 8:45:10 AM UTC-8, Mojo wrote:
>
> Lately I mated a Luxos U to an SP hub that allows me to charge my phone 
> during the day and has a handlebar switch, and an amazingly wide and 
> consistent beam. The Edulux now seem adequate but less than ideal. I 
> appreciate the SP hub for its performance, price, and simple light 
> attachment compared to Son.


I started using the same combination nearly two years ago, and it's 
superlative. In the city, I've had drivers flash their high beams at me on 
the street, even when I'm using the lowbeams. I've certainly got the angle 
low enough; I suspect some of them are flashing not because they're 
blinded, but because they're spooked to see that bright a light coming from 
a bicycle.

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 10:16:55 AM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote:
>
> Even dyno systems benefit from a battery so that the lights, etc. can run 
> when the bike is stopped.
>

Yes, and no. The Luxos U powers its standlight with a lithium battery, 
instead of the capacitor used in older standlight headlamp systems (and in 
generator taillights). A capacitor is fine for a standlight; it generally 
drains after 3-4 minutes, providing enough residual power to keep the 
headlight/taillight lit at a stoplight, after which the system recharges 
when the rider pedals away. B&M/Peter White says the battery is there to 
provide a filtered, even power supply to external devices attached to the 
USB charger.

Unfortunately, the battery makes the system much more difficult to 
troubleshoot. In September, a broken front brake bolt damaged something in 
my Luxos, as my rack assembly/light mounting sagged down. Because the 
battery got enough trickle charge from the hub to maintain a low level of 
power, it took me several weeks to figure out that the damage was to the 
Luxos, not to the SP generator. I could turn on the headlight and get a few 
minutes of light, and then it would shut itself off - often in dangerous 
situations. And the taillight never had enough juice to light after the 
incident. But since the headlight would turn on (at reduced light output), 
I kept flailing around swapping replaceable cables (generator to headlight, 
headlight to taillight) instead of blaming the headlight itself.

If the standlight worked off a capacitor, the capacitor would have drained 
in a few minutes - and that would have been that. As it was, I had to 
unplug the hub from the Luxos entirely, and run it for a week before the 
Luxos' battery drained completely. I then dug out the wussy Spanninga that 
the Luxos had replaced, and found that the hub was fine.

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 10:34:20 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Some dynos may struggle to run the lights *and* the USB charger at the 
> same time, but the workaround there is to charge stuff during the day while 
> your lights are off.
>

Exactly B&M's recommendation for the Luxos U.

Hub generators won't power anything more than a light because that's the 
purpose for which they're designed. If they put out more power, they'd fry 
out the lights. The fact that they can *also* power charging systems is an 
add-on to the existing infrastructure, in the same way that Internet 
service is an add-on to your cable provider's system, which is intended to 
pump the Home Shopping Network, UFC pay-per-view fights and Ryan Gosling 
movies into your house. The Internet is just an extra the cable company can 
toss onto the cable they've already installed, for which they can tack on 
an extra fee.

If you want to pawer *stuff*, you can use solar panels 
<http://www.voltaicsystems.com>, with all the limiting considerations that 
go with them. They're available at a variety of different power output 
levels/voltages. As long as you're using a bike-powered generator, you're 
going to have to deal with the limitations designed into that generator: 
That its primary purpose is to power 6V lighting systems. At least, that's 
what most modern bottle/hub generators are designed to do.

Peter "horses for courses" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

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