On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 4:34:00 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Nice, and with 10-year guarantee. 33s + fenders, please. $5,300 -- could
> be worse, but although I expect that CF is (in itself) an excellent
> material for some bicycle parts and for frames, I expect that, for my
> riding, the 52% premium over top of line steel isn't worth the savings in
> weight and (possible) improvement in strength.
>
I think the problem is you're not comparing apples to apples.
Yes, a Crumpton will cost $5300 for a frame. But he is considered one of
the top carbon frame builders in the US and maybe the world. Yes, you can
get a "premium" steel frame for less, maybe even 52% less. But, if you
really want to compare a Crumpton, then you should compare it to what the
top steel frame builders charge.
Since there are 100s of steel frame builders in the US, one way to compare
is to look at wait list. Richard Sachs and Sasha White/Vanilla have
arguably the longest wait list for steel builders that has people waiting 5
to 6 YEARS?! If that makes them the "top" steel frame builders, then the
price of a custom Sachs or Vanilla is around $5000 or about the same as a
Crumpton.
Further, Brent Steelman is asking $4850 for a custom lug frame and others
like Bruce Gordon and Mark DiNucci are in the $4000+ range. In contrast, a
custom Riv is "only" $3500 and I last I heard, their wait list is about two
years?!
Of course, you can find quality steel builders for less, i.e., Della Santa
or Paul Sadoff/Rock Lobster, but if you want to compare apples to apples,
you look at the builders with the longest wait list first. Or at least,
that is one criteria.
Good Luck!
>
> I do have to say that, IMO, in the "pretty" and the "cool" categories,
> steel wins hands down. ("Cool" since steel has all that "Coppi rode it and
> so did the ungainly, brutal, peasant-stock hardmen of steel back to 1903*"
> history.)
>
> *1st Tour. I know that it was used before 1903.
>
> Scott: do you own a Crumpton?
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Scott G. <[email protected] <javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> Call Nick Crumpton, say you want a lifetime road bike that will fit 33mm
>> tires.
>> I think you'll be very pleased with your carbon bike.
>>
>> Downside of carbon is that costs near double a same quality steel bike.
>>
>> Steel vs. Carbon, is the cycling nutters version of the Arian heresy.
>>
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