Wow Dave, that is a lot. Like 25 or 30 percent slower eh? To put that all down to weight difference would mean like 40 pounds wouldn't it? Is your Gunnar 10s of pounds lighter than your Hunqapillar? I suspect a lot of your difference is down to position on the bike, whats on the bike (i.e. racks, fenders, bags, gear, kickstands etc), and effort. On the Atlantis product page it says the AHH is about a pound lighter, so I don't see how a Hunqapillar can be more than a few pounds heavier than an AHH. I doubt very much that just swapping frames is going to make a big dent in that sort of a time difference.
On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 11:58:08 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote: > > Ted - My ambivalence starts when a lot of money and time get invested into > it. I realize its a long shot to get an exact trade (or close to it, > ideally for just a frame and fork trade). Could be worth it in the long > run. I'd have to put some thought into it. > > I do about 33-35 minutes up on the Gunnar at my fastest and closer to 45 > minutes up on the Hunq. Different setups. Gunnar has a mark's rack and > small trunksack and drop bars, it also has a pretty lightweight wheelset. > The Hunq has albastaches and also a front rack, sometimes with a basket and > things. With my regular riding buddies I can keep up on the gunnar but > definintely fall behind on the Hunq. > > No issues with the brakes, they're the cx70's. It takes a few minutes to > adjust them up and down when i change out the wheelsets but otherwise works > pretty well, and the outside diameter is pretty similar between the 26 2.1 > smart sams and the 650b 42mm babyshoe pass tires. > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:46 AM, ted <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> Did your brakes have enough range of adjustment for the change from 26" >> to 650B? >> >> I'm actually a bit surprised that you are "noticeably slower on the hunq >> than on my go fast road bike" going up say Tunnel road. Do you notice the >> difference just by feel on your own, by timing it, by comparison with a >> regular riding partner? Is your position the same on both bikes? Same style >> bars? Same pedals? How many pounds lighter is the Gunnar comparing ready to >> ride bikes? How much do you and the bike ready to roll out the drive weigh? >> How much more stuff is on the Hunqapillar? What is your time up Tunnel road? >> >> Getting from the Hunqapillar to an AHH is probably going to cost you some >> $$, at least as temporary outlay with some risk of permanence. The one near >> Alameda may be as good a fit as you see in some time. Complete bikes tend >> to be better bargains, by selling off all the extra parts after merging >> between your Hunqapillar and the AHH and selling the Hunqapillar as a frame >> fork and headset you might get close to breaking even. If your ambivalent >> about changing, it's likely not worth the trouble. >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:58:22 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote: >>> >>> All good questions! I actually have some 650b wheels left over from a >>> Sam I briefly owned and have been running those on the hunq, outfitted with >>> compass 42mm tires. I ran smart sam's on there for a long time and still >>> have them. >>> >>> I'm looking for something lighter that climbs better than the hunq. My >>> litmus test are a few climbs in Oakland including tunnel road. It is >>> noticeably slower on the hunq than on my go fast road bike (Gunnar), which >>> would be expected. However, given that the hunq was bought to be my primary >>> mountain bike, and is no longer serving that purpose, and is in fact seeing >>> way more road miles, my hope is that a more road oriented Rivendell would >>> make more sense. The hunqapillar is fine as it is, and if there is not >>> going to be noticeably faster than I may just stay with that. >>> >>> But my initial thought process is that an AHH is comparable in price and >>> resale value to my hunq (while having all the fixings for racks, fenders, >>> kick stands, etc.), and being lighter and hopefully a little faster, would >>> be a good trade if there was one to be had. And I also have a 650b wheel >>> set with 2 nice sets of tires that would fit it nicely. I'm also not really >>> looking to spend any money, hence the trade aspect of it. >>> >>> I feel like I've struck out on finding a 52 or 54 ahh at RBW to test, >>> maybe I need to go back and see what is there. This isn't an urgent thing >>> and I'm happy riding the hunq and keeping it a long time. But I am very AHH >>> curious ;) >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:58 AM, ted <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> dstein, >>> >>> If you think the Hunqapillar and the Sam Hillborne ride the same you >>> will likely think the Sam and the Hilsen ride the same too. >>> As you pointed out Grant has said the Sam and Hilsen are functionally >>> interchangeable, though there are differences between them. >>> >>> I haven't ridden a Hunqapillar much, but I do have a first generation >>> Bombadil and an AHH. For riding mostly roads I prefer the AHH. I think they >>> ride differently, with the AHH being more responsive and the Bombadil being >>> more stable. But it's possible that in a blind (if that were possible) test >>> with the same components and position on each frame I wouldn't be able to >>> tell the difference. >>> >>> How would you like your next bike to seem different than your >>> Hunqapillar? What attributes would make a "better bike" seem better to you? >>> >>> I think you live in the east bay, in which case it could be well worth >>> your while to bop over to RBW and test ride Hunqapillar, Hillborne, Hilsen, >>> Roadeo back to back to .... >>> >>> Btw what tires do you have? Earlier you posted there were Smart Sams on >>> there, now Compass. Are your Compass tires Rat Trap Pass or a smaller size? >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 5:09:20 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote: >>>> >>>> I actually do have compass tires on there now ;) And that is my fear. >>>> I felt the hunq and sam rode the same honestly and since i liked the hunq >>>> more i sold the sam. And I've heard the sam and ahh ride the same (grant's >>>> words). >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Clayton.sf <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Get some compass tires for your hunq- it will be much faster. If you >>>>> want really fast, look into skinny flexy tubing or some vintage 531 and >>>>> compass tires. 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