Why am I not surprised that a bike retailer in Portland is carrying copper 
water bottles for large money, and spreading claptrap about unspecified 
health benefits? Has *Portlandia* become a documentary?


Copper was one of the first metals used by humans, after gold. Neither of 
them were used because of any virtues as elements; they were used because 
they were easy to work: low melting temperatures (easily reached by wood 
fires) and soft (workable with stone tools). Plus: Shiny!


People have been making cooking vessels out of copper for as long as 
they've been working copper, but raw copper was rapidly replaced by copper 
alloys (bronze and brass) and by raw copper pots lined with tin. Although 
copper is an excellent heat conductor, it is also highly reactive, 
especially with acids. It puts nasty poisonous stuff into your food.


There are unlined copper food vessels, but they're all for very limited 
food exposure. The primary ones are copper bowls for whipping cream or egg 
whites; the chemical reaction between the liquids and the copper gets the 
whipped cream/egg whites stiffer faster. Unlined copper is also used for 
high-quality plumbing, because copper is antibacterial. But the water isn't 
supposed to sit around in the pipes forever.


You need dietary copper. But all the copper you need is in your diet. It is 
perfectly possible to overdose on ingested copper (especially if the 
container has developed that decorative green verdigris), in which case the 
symptoms are quite nasty: Cirrhosis, kidney failure, Alzheimers, low blood 
pressure, brain necrosis. As a counter to the Ayurvedic claim (shhhhhyeah, 
right), let's note that there's a condition called "Indian childhood 
cirrhosis" (i.e., cirrhosis in kids who aren't old enough to have bashed 
their livers in with alcohol); this condition has been linked to boiling 
milk in unlined copper cookware. Call me a Western medicine bigot; but if 
Indian moms have been cooking milk in copper pots for centuries, watching 
their kids get sick, and not putting two and two together, then it's hard 
to appreciate the diagnostic rigor of of Ayurvedic medical practice.


I am a big fan of copper decorative items. Wilier Triestina's copper 
*chromovelato* is a stunning color. I've got copper bike tchotchkes of all 
sorts, including a plated copper travel mug that makes it onto the bike 
fairly often, and the copper version of the Crane Karen bell (actually 
copper-plated aluminum: more expensive and cheesier-sounding than the brass 
bell. If anyone's got the solid copper bell Jitensha used to stock and 
they're willing to sell it, let me know). I have actively fantasized about 
copper-anodizing a set of centerpull brakes to mount on my dark green 
Raleigh, for the *City of Lost Children* look. But aesthetics shouldn't be 
a suicide attempt; I wouldn't use copper in ways that endager my safety or 
impair my health. I wouldn't carry my water in unlined copper, just as I 
wouldn't have brakes made out of solid copper. No matter how pretty.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper#Folk_medicine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_toxicity


Peter "saw a couple of *chicas* in downtown Oakland yesterday with Mason 
jar beer mugs, and nearly crashed as I rolled my eyes" Adler

Berkeley, CA/USA


On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 12:23:41 PM UTC-8, Beth H wrote:

> Rivelo (Riv dealer in Portland) is carrying a water bottle made of copper.
> It looks gorgeous. Does anyone know anything about the rewards or risks of 
> drinking water from a copper bottle?
> It looks an awful lot like the one pictured here: 
> http://www.amazon.com/Travellers-Copper-Bottle-Ayurvedic-Benefits/dp/B00XTQM7FI/ref=pd_bxgy_79_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1HV10VSKRVP66797WN2H
> Beth in pdx

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