Keith, don't you want to be between the stand over heights? I would think 
it would make it harder to choose if you were right on one of the numbers.  


On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 11:22:21 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:

> If the standover works for you, I think you're golden.  Me, I'm still 
> worrying.  Since they're shipping out in just a few days, this will by my 
> last obsessive, worry-driven, over-analysis.  Looking at the Clem and Hunq 
> charts together again, I just noticed something else.  Based on the 
> standover heights alone (which is the starting point in the normal process 
> of selecting a Rivendell bike), the sizes of these TWO MODELS COMBINED work 
> out very well in increments such that there is no overlap. Given all the 
> other similarities, its almost as if they're designed to work together:
>
> - *45 Clem* (74.9cm)
>                                  >  1.6cm delta
> - 48 Hunq (76.5cm)
>                                  >  2.6cm
> - 51 Hunq (79.1cm)
>                                  >  1.7cm
> - *52 Clem* (80.8cm)
>                                  >  2.0cm
> - 54 Hunq (82.8cm)
>                 
>                                  >  3.9cm
>
> - 58 Hunq (86.7cm)
>                                  >  1.6cm
> - 5*9 Clem* (88.3cm)
>                                  >  2.3cm
> - 62 Hunq (90.6cm)
>
> My size, of course,  falls squarely in the middle of the *BIG* gap, 
> between the 54 and 58 Hunqapillars.   (Which is also squarely between the 
> 52 and 59 Clems.)   Other bike models that happen to share a 
> mysteriously-missing size, at the exact same increment, are the  XO-1 
> (57cm) and a Atlantis (59.5cm).   You know how, in the Clem Brochure, Grant 
> said that there's this weird, cosmic thing happening between Rivendell and 
> Shimano, whereby if they really like something it is sure to be 
> discontinued?  Well, there's this weird cosmic thing happening between me 
> and Grant whereby the bikes he's designed, that I am most attracted to, 
> don't really come in my size.
>
> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 10:29:17 PM UTC-6, Tim Wood wrote:
>
>> Keith, great analysis. I have to admit, I thought I had a good grasp on 
>> fit and geometry charts, but can honestly say that I have I no idea how 
>> front centre translates to ride and fit. I come from a road background and 
>> always based my sizing on tt length and head tube (a little thought was put 
>> in to ht/st angles but again I didn't know how they translated).  For years 
>> I have been under the assumption that I needed a 57/58cm tt and that's 
>> that. So the thought of a 64cm tt is a lot to wrap my head around. 
>>
>> Like you said,I'm going to trust in the process and method and hope it 
>> all works out (gulp). What reassures me is the comparison you make between 
>> a 59 Clem and a 58 hunq being close in size and fit. I'm not sure why this 
>> reassures me cuz I've never ridden a 58 hunq, but I feel like if I were to 
>> buy one I'd buy a 58. Yikes. 
>>
>> Anyway, not gonna stress about it, just gonna open that box when it gets 
>> here and ride off in to the sunset with my bars high.....and hope that I 
>> can reach them. 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>

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