Doug,

I've been using the 700/45s on a 56c orange canti Hillborne.  The terrain 
where I had a few pedal strikes was pretty deeply rutted and my technical 
riding skills were not quite up to snuff yet.  The Smart Sams are a shift 
from my Mondial 40s I use for commuting during the school year.  I did 
notice that my standover was higher than before so I assume that's about 
the most clearance both the bike and I can manage.  Unfortunately, school 
is starting back up so I'll have to shift back to the Mondials.  The Smart 
Sams (Performance line from Riv) have been fun and downright bouncy this 
summer.  Much more supple than I had expected.  That has come at a price. 
 I've had about 5 flats since I put them on whereas I have never flatted in 
9 months on the Mondails.  I don't know if the tires have that much less 
protection or if they prompt me to ride crazier terrain.  Either way, I 
trust the Mondials for a more dependable commute despite the somewhat 
leaden ride.  I would also note that my other wheelset has Extralight 
Barlow Pass and I have not had one flat all summer despite lots of mileage 
on them.  Even rode through an accident site the other day (lots of broken 
glass) without incident.  I have been pleasantly surprised by the BPs for 
delightful, trouble-free road riding.  I may even try them on the commute 
but that might be tempting fate a bit.

John

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 8:49:19 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> John:
>
> What size Smart Sams are you using?  Been musing that 45s would provide a 
> bit of extra clearance over the 40 mm Marathons I've been using.  I get the 
> odd pedal strike with my Atlantis.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 7:00:47 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I've been riding trails all summer with Smart Sams on the Hillborne. 
>>  Almost feels like I'm back in the '80's riding southern California trails 
>> on my old '86 ('87?) Ritchey Comp.  After a few shock fork MTBs, I'm back 
>> to riding rigid with the Sam.  I do find that the bottom bracket is a 
>> little low on the Sam which leads to an occassional pedal strike in the 
>> ruts.  I guess that just provides more reason to get out more to practice 
>> technique.  Frame, fork and rims seem no worse for the abuse (and Riv still 
>> has orange Hillborne forks in their Web Specials section if things really 
>> wrong).
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 2:37:55 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> The kind with lots of sudden, deep, and uneven ruts, loose, big gravel 
>>> chunks, roots, and rocks that stick up 6 inches from the dirt that 
>>> your front tire will slam into when you can't see them coming because the 
>>> shade is so dark?
>>>
>>> Don't wanna trash my Synergies or bend my fork blades doing this. My 
>>> son-in-law (has mountain bike with shocks) is getting interested in the 
>>> dirt trails around here and asked if I would go along.
>>>
>>> Mind you, neither of us has really any experience with these trails like 
>>> this, though I fly along fast over hard packed fine gravel trails. Those 
>>> are fun.
>>>
>>

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