Sounds Good 
Are the Rat Traps available?
Thanks for the pics looks like good clearence in the rear 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/19620023613/in/album-72157656605491545/
Is it enough to use the Rat Traps with a pair of fenders, is it possible to fit 
a pair of 60 mm Berthoud on the NFE. 
It looks like a very nice rig to use as a commuter.
Carl W 

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:21:10 -0700
From: mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

John, one of the guys behind the stock NFE's is running the Rat Trap pass tires 
on his NFE.  Looks like they fit just fine and are the same diameter as a 650B 
x 42 mm wheel.
~mike

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 2:49:39 PM UTC-7, Christian wrote:Carl,
I cannot see why not. The disc brakes  would allow for 26" wheels I imagine. In 
fact, I might have read somewhere on the Internet of someone riding a prototype 
of those tires on the NFE--but it could have been the also forthcoming 650x48 
Compass tires. I'm eager to get the Rat Traps on my LHT. 
The Cowbells and Cowchippers are more similar than either are to the 
Woodchippers. 
Riv content: I bought by Cambium from Riv. 

Christian <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>From my phone. Apologies for typos and 
brevity. 
On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:26 AM, Carl Otto Wollin <carlott...@hotmail.com> wrote:




Hi Christian 
Looking good. 
Is it possible to use this frame with 26 inch wheels, with the coming Rat Trap 
Pass tires https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/04/04/the-enduro-allroad-bike/
and you have better availability of studded winter tires. 
As a commuter and a compliment to my low trail Randonneur bikes. 
Regards
Carl Otto Wollin 
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:38:47 -0700
From: christian....@gmail.com
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
CC: christian....@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

Hi everyone,
Reporting back now that I have had the NFE for a week.  It's been great so far!
Thought I'd share my build and a few pics here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157656605491545
WHEELS: WTB KOM i25 rims/Compass Babyshoe Pass EL tubeless/SP dynohub/Hope Evo 
Pro 2/VO Noir 650B fenders (only front installed; got lazy)DRIVETRAIN: White 
Industries VBC crank 42x26/11-36 XT casssette/XT rd and CX 70 fdRACK etc: 
Haulin Colin for NFE/VO decaleur/Berthoud GB28. I used a Berthoud decaleur for 
5 years on my Terraferma and thought it was great. But I decided to try the 
much cheaper VO decaleur.  It's easy to set up (so is the Berthoud) and works 
well.  Eriksen Ti Sweetpost/Brooks C17 COCKPIT: started with VO rando bars I 
had around--too much reach to the breakes, for me; now 46cm Salsa Cowchippers 
on a Salsa 25 degree/8cm Guide Stem--so far awesome.
Did I miss anything? 

Best wishes,
Christian in Charlottesville 
On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 4:12:18 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:Hi All, 
Let's see if I can link the NFE, the Jones, and Rivendell sufficiently to make 
this on topic. I sold my Hunqapillar to fund my Jones. I really liked the Hunq, 
but I love the Jones. Very different bikes so not really fair to compare, but 
for my purposes the Jones is the better option. I use it mostly for singletrack 
and have put in up to 9 hour trail rides on it. It's an exceptional bike. But 
it's not the same thing as the NFE (not that Mike was saying this explicitly) 
so I don't think I'd choose one or the other for similar purposes.   
So, I will have both. 
I really loved my Terraferma, but always felt the fit was slightly off. I'd 
become a convert to 650B, however, and so when I learned of the NFE I made 
plans to sell my Terraferma. The disc brakes were a major selling point for me. 
After getting back into mountain biking a couple of summers ago (to which I 
credit the Hunq) and trying discs I was blown away. I know there's been lots of 
discussion here about the merits of cantis but FOR ME there's no contest. BB7s 
are incredibly simple to set up and are far superior--IN MY EXPERIENCE--to the 
Paul Toring cantis I had on the Terreferma (to be honest, the 15 year old $10 
Deore V brakes on my LHT are better than the Pauls--heresy, perhaps). I know 
some will disagree and that's fine. 
I'll use the NFE (should be here in a few weeks) in the same way I used the 
Terraferma: for mixed terrain road riding as well as paved only rides. And if I 
return to randonneuring I'll use it for that too. For me, the Jones is best 
left as a mountain bike. But it for sure could be set as a capable all arounder 
with different wheels. For now it's set up as a fat front. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/16710535399/in/dateposted-public/  
One thing that's neat about the Jones is that it takes a little wind out of the 
sails of those--like me, for a time--committed to thinking fit was some sort of 
magic. After all, they only come in one size! Just tweak here and there, listen 
to Jeff's advice, and you're all set. He asked me how tall I am, whether or I 
wanted to sit up a bit or be in a more agressive position. He then told me what 
stem he thought I should get. That was it. Bike fits fantastically.
Anyway, hope all the Riv folks don't mind the digression!
Christian 




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