Nobody ever said that only MCRB's are available. I just said that only MCRB's are raced and glamorized, and that "real world" bike design could benefit from the same testing and glamour that MCRB's receive. I'm advocating "race testing" of practical, durable, and reliable bikes. Reliability would be "race tested". That would provide useful information to the public. Wouldn't you be interested to know which "fast bike" could complete a long race with the fewest repairs and the most reliability? I might buy that bike.
Doug On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 4:51:40 PM UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote: > > What useful bikes are being kept from buyers? Hybrids, city bikes, > cyclocross bikes, fat tire gravel bikes... All are easily available. > > I think it's time to stop the narrative that people only buy MCFR bikes > because that's all that's available, or they're somehow forced to. People > have more options than ever, and can buy what they want. > > Eric "but no MCFR bike for me" Daume > > On Wednesday, July 29, 2015, Doug Williams <sal...@minbaritm.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> I just think that racing has a negative impact on bike design for the >> general public. Keep BORAF and races like that if you want, but I would >> like to see many more "real world races" on "real world bikes" which would >> influence bicycle purchases in a POSITIVE rather than a negative manner. >> Current races glamorize super lightweight, super fragile bikes. Have >> "equipment endurance racing events" (or whatever you want to call them) and >> make the racers start and finish on the SAME bike, carry all their tools >> and spare parts, and make all their own in race repairs.This would >> glamorize USEFUL bikes and encourage bike makers to make useful bikes >> available to the public, instead of the ridiculously impractical bikes >> glamorized in most races. Who goes on their daily ride with a van with 3 >> spare bikes, spare parts, and a mechanic following? Why would you want to >> buy and ride a bike that requires that logistics trail? >> >> True, we all know about RBW and other such bikes on this list. But I bet >> that the average bike purchaser does NOT. Equipment Endurance type races on >> durable and repairable bikes would help educate the buying public and steer >> them onto a bike that would be much better for them than the typical MCRB. >> Again, the only race rules would be: >> (1) Start and finish on the same bike. >> (2) Carry all your own repair parts and tools. >> (3) Make all your own in race repairs. >> >> No other design rules would be necessary. Bike manufacturers would be >> encouraged to manufacture and advertise bikes that would be useful to the >> public. >> >> Doug >> >> On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 6:17:29 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>> There's a definite negative attitude on this list toward racers. Me, I >>> like watching racers in a well-coordinated paceline or climbing efficiently >>> or descending skillfully; never raced worth mentioning myself. Our local >>> roadies are friendly, and I think 40 year old racing bikes have much to >>> recommend them as road-biased all rounders. >>> >>> That said, I rode my (modestly racer-like, albeit fixed gear) gofast to >>> Fat Tire Bicycles this afternoon to pick up a new (black, clamp on, 1 1/8") >>> stem for the Fargo (new, longer reach bar) and a tandem rd cable (running >>> the housing along the bar to exit with brake housing near stem). The young >>> man at the register saw the '99 Joe and praised it and described the >>> Legolas he races local cross on. He installed a straight bar because his >>> background is downhill mtb racing, but he finds it much more comfortable >>> than his CF cross bike, and says that it doesn't slow him down (he loses >>> ground to roadies on the flats/straights, but gets ahead on twisties thanks >>> to his mtb handling skills. >>> >>> So, there. >>> >>> -- >>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. >>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. >>> Other professional writing services. >>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/ >>> www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ >>> Patrick Moore >>> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten >>> >>> ************************************* >>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a >>> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and >>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu >>> >>> *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle >>> >>> *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
