The Garys are the same thing (but made with love in China!). I just don't like the lack of a top bar position on them. It basically limits you to the drop position and kind of the hoods except they're canted at a weird angle.
Lets just say I see M-bars in my bike's future... On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Ray Shine <r.sh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Check out the On-One Midge drops. Very nice, and will address that > problem. > > RS > > --- On *Sun, 11/8/09, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>* wrote: > > > From: cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> > Subject: [RBW] NOW: off-road handlebars WAS: Long introduction and question > on frame and handlebar options from newbie to the list > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 8:13 AM > > Actually I found a fault w/ off-road drops: the front of my lower arm > (right above wrist) is bruised on both sides from banging up on the cross > section while riding in the drops. While bumping around on the trails > yesterday, I had to move around so much and so quickly at times that my arms > got jammed pretty bad times. They're pretty sore this morning from that. > > I'm gonna' go back to the Gary bars, > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3088358794/>and if those don't > work out, back to the M-bars. Salsa is coming out with the Woodchipper > <http://www.salsacycles.com/amigos/2009/10/interbike-follow-up-new-woodchipper-bar.html>model, > which has a shallow drop and rel wide flare, so that's an option for the > near future as well! > > David > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 8:02 AM, newenglandbike > <matthiasbe...@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=matthiasbe...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> >> I have noodles on my bombadil for exactly that reason. I think the >> bullmoose bars would be good for mountian bike riding where you're >> probably not going to be out all day. But on the other hand, I >> don't think anyone would disagree that the 46/48cm noodles are sweet >> off-road. >> >> On Nov 8, 9:52 am, Todd Olsen >> <todd_ol...@comcast.net<http://mc/compose?to=todd_ol...@comcast.net>> >> wrote: >> > regarding the narrow question of bullmoose vs noodle, when I bought >> > AHH, Keven advised same thing. More hand positions with noodle. So I >> > got noodle. i still wanted to try moustache, so i purchased pair 2nd >> > hand from another list member. This is true, with noodle there are >> > more hand positions. about 5 total. i will probably stick with the >> > moustache for a while longer just to be sure, but i believe i will end >> > up switching back to the noodle. >> > >> > todd olsen >> > >> > On Nov 7, 9:26 pm, Orthie251 >> > <orthie...@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=orthie...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Hello, >> > >> > > I'm new to the list, but I've been following it daily for the past >> > > couple of weeks and have to say I've learned a lot about Rivendell and >> > > steel bikes in such a short time. I am new to the whole Rivendell >> > > philosophy, but discovering it has saved my cycling. For the past 7 >> > > years, since moving to the San Francisco Bay Area from Venezuela and >> > > taking up road riding in addition to mountain biking, I've never been >> > > able to ride without pain. To shorten an otherwise long and familiar >> > > story, in the beginning of the summer, tired of paying for fits and >> > > changing bike frames with no real results, I discovered the Rivendell >> > > website and poured all over it. It was radically different to anything >> > > and everything I had read over the years, and when I discovered they >> > > were located less than an hour from my house, I decided to go and >> > > check them out, to see what they and their bikes were all about. >> > >> > > I drove to Walnut Creek, spent about an hour or a bit more there >> > > talking primarily to Mark, tested the A. Homer Hilsen, the Sam >> > > Hillborne and the Atlantis, and drove back with an AHH frame (61cm >> > > Waterford) after waiting for Mark to install the headset, as well as >> > > some parts like 2 stems to fine tune the fit (100 & 90cm), the Noodle >> > > bars (48cm), Cane Creek brake levers, Nitto S-83 seatpost and a front >> > > Mark's rack. Rick adjusted my rear road Chris King hub from road to >> > > mountain spacing and dished it. >> > >> > > I have built the AHH with the Sram Rival 10 speed components I had on >> > > my Gunnar CrossHairs but went with the Sram 10 speed bar end shifters >> > > to preserve the character of the bike and to try them out as I'd never >> > > used them before. I also installed a Tubus Cosmo rear rack, Brooks >> > > brown saddle and bar tape, Honjo hammered fenders (40mm) with Schwalbe >> > > Marathon Supreme 35 tires and a few other details. >> > >> > > After riding the AHH for the past several weeks, I cannot begin to say >> > > that not only have I been enjoying it extremely and have had no pain, >> > > now I blame Rivendell for making it impossible for me to ride all my >> > > other bikes! I've already sold the Gunnar CrossHairs (58) and the >> > > Cannondale F600 (medium), and I'm seriously considering selling my >> > > recently put together Specialized Roubaix SL2 with Sram Red >> > > components. It pains me to get rid of all of them, but after riding >> > > the AHH, getting back on these bikes only serves to highlight how bad >> > > the fit was. >> > >> > > Inevitably, I take another drive to Walnut Creek to discuss this >> > > situation and what I'm feeling with Mark, and Keven joins in. After >> > > translating my wishes into cycling lingo, I test ride an Atlantis (60) >> > > and a Bombadil (60) after re-checking my PBH with Mark, and place an >> > > order for a new Bombadil frame. You see, I have this dream of touring >> > > and camping with my bike, but I don't really know how or if I'll ever >> > > make it happen. I also have a 2009 Titus FTM Exo-grid titanium, 140mm >> > > trailbike, but am beginning to consider going mountain biking with a >> > > steel rigid bike as well. I'm not planning to sell that one just yet, >> > > I think all that travel still has a purpose in my life, but if I want >> > > to build up the Bombadil with all the parts I want, selling the >> > > Roubaix would certainly cover that and more... Do I really need a 16.5 >> > > lbs high end carbon bike when I have so much fun riding the 27 lbs >> > > (fully racked) AHH on the road? Who cares if I'm a tad slower when I'm >> > > having so much fun, even on the climbs? The Roubaix SL2 is a very nice >> > > bike, but I can't get the handlebars high enough! >> > >> > > BTW, I'm turning 50 in January and am also overweight, but so far have >> > > lost 23 lbs this year. Still another 60 - 80 to go, and I can't think >> > > of any better way than to continue to watch what I eat and commute >> > > every day on my AHH... >> > >> > > Keven and Mark both agreed that I should get the Bombadil frame >> > > painted and not raw with the powder coat, as the wet paint will last >> > > longer and protect the frame better. I like the raw look when it's >> > > new, but have had bad experiences with powder coated paint coming off >> > > very easily from the Gunnar, so I agreed. >> > >> > > So many color choices... green and gold, blue and gold, Keven showed >> > > me two painted Bombadil frames they have (not in my size) in silver, >> > > and they look very nice. When I said I loved white bikes (my Gunnar >> > > was all white), he showed me the 48 Bombadil frame they have in Cream >> > > with Gold, and I just melted. I said that is the color combination I >> > > want. We also discussed getting the Bullmoose bars painted to match, >> > > but even though they felt very comfortable for the short test ride >> > > there, I'm not sure how I'd like them for longer rides. Mark says he >> > > prefers the multiple hand positions from the drop bars. >> > >> > > I have until Wednesday morning to finalize my decision as Keven will >> > > not be in until then, so here are my questions to the group: >> > > - Is the AHH a good replacement for the Specialized Roubaix for me, >> > > not a racer, not a club rider, just interested in metric centuries, >> > > centuries and eventually as I loose weight and gain fitness, longer >> > > rides? >> > > - I am really into commuting, which the AHH is great for, and just >> > > discovered what the term S240 means. I really want to explore that >> > > dimension of cycling, but with a family (wife doesn't cycle) and work, >> > > I just don't know how I'll make that happen, so the Bombadil is the >> > > expression of that dream, but is it right for me or would a Roadeo be >> > > more indicated for riding those centuries and if I ever manage to go >> > > camping/touring with my bike, the AHH would fill that need? >> > > - If I go with the Bombadil, should I spend the extra money on the >> > > Bullmoose bar or should I save it and go with a Noodle bar or perhaps >> > > a moustache bar? >> > >> > > Decisions... decisions... >> > >> > > My apologies for the long rant... :-) You can check out some pictures >> > > of my AHH athttp://tinyurl.com/yjptb5q >> > >> > > René Sterental (Orthie251) >> >> > > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA > > "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. 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