Steve: Although I am someone who hasn't used non-retention pedals since 1970 (that's a wee bit hyperbolic but largely true) I have to weigh in for the other side and say that I, personally, have heard too much from riders with enough experience and certainly enough power output about the joys of non-retention, *and this for very competitive riding,* that I, personally, have to keep a bit of an open mind for the possibility that non-retention has real performance advantages. I mention again young Vaughn of local ss cyclocross fame and Bruce Boyson erstwhile of the Boblist. Bruce in particular is, from what I gathered, an experienced cyclist, not just a last-minute wonder with freakish power output despite self imposed obstacles. Once again, Bruce used to boast of leaving his clipped in, fully suspended, 3X10 peers in his single speed, rigid steel, flat-pedal dust. And he was 50 or so when I last heard him on the Boblist.
I *know* that I gain torque from pulling up on the passive pedal while I torque down on the power pedal while pulling up hard on the bar. I am beginning to think, after trying the various puzzle pieces, that retentionless works best, even in performance situations, with low gearing, relatively high cadence, and relatively low torque. I may be wrong. So: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the ...Oh, wait: I, Patrick Moore, of ABQ, NM, pledge, promise, commit, and vow to try retentionless on a derailleur all rounder bike (Fargo, namely) for at least 200 miles of combined ABQ, NM pavement and sandy bosque riding, and to report my findings, results, conclusions, verdicts, pronouncements, and judgments to the list. Amen. Patrick Moore, who seriously proposes to do this, notwithstanding his otherwise intolerable flippancy, in ABQ, NM. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote: > >> Let's face it: those who like "flat pedals" - pedals without retention > devices - aren't after "performance" gains that can be measured > objectively. They're after comfort and convenience. Some riders can make > them work quite effectively, and are happy to accept whatever objective > performance deficits they may have. > > I have flat BMX pedals (albeit, without pins) on my shopper. I would > never ride long distances on such a pedal: my feet slip off, and they often > sit crooked on the pedals and I end up stepping on the crank arm or the > chain stay. I'm very happy to have a pedal retention system take care of > positioning my feet, while allowing me to lift my foot without worrying > about it losing its place on the pedal or coming off entirely. I doubt the > lifting of my feet substantially adds to power, as die hard advocates > proclaim, but that's not the only reason to do it. > > I'm surprised this discussion has had so much staying power. It's a > relatively trivial issue, as far as I'm concerned. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten ************************************* *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
