I hear you on this. The whole Clem sales apparatus has been pretty unusual 
as far as retail buying experiences go. I have not ordered one but I might 
have if one had been large enough for me. 

It's all a bit seat-of-pants for my liking. $700 is not a crazy amount for 
a solid and versatile frameset, but it's also not so little that people 
shouldn't be well-informed about what exactly they are getting. The build 
kit option, same idea. But I guess they have their motives.

It's interesting watching this unfold alongside the Rawland Ravn 
development process and pre-order thingy, which has been very open, has 
incorporated public input at every turn and has very detailed specs posted 
to help the buyer decide whether the product is right for them.

KJ


On Thursday, April 9, 2015 at 11:10:27 AM UTC-4, Jim D Massachusetts wrote:
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>
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> I have ordered a frame.While the offer of a complete build at $650 is 
> attractive, I am not happy with being pushed into a quick reply when they 
> have not published the build specs (that I can find). I am sure the parts 
> would be good, but they may not be what I want. In particular, I do not 
> like the bosco bar prospect and would much prefer albatross. The same issue 
> goes for the shifters, grips and saddle. One way to handle it would be to 
> trust RBW and if I dislike some aspect, then change it out. I am still on 
> the fence.                       Jim   D               Massachusetts
>

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