Hi Bunch!  I can report on a recent first ride.  I am 53yrs old, 183#, 
5'11" tall, 89 pbh, so a bit short of average in torso for my pbh.  I 
bought a brown Appaloosa prototype in size 57.5, which was designed 
for 89-ish pbh according to the listing.  I set my Brooks B68 at 
77cm/30.5".  The bike has a bullmoose Bosco bar, equivalent to 12cm stem 
length, which I set at minimum insertion height.

It is a beautiful bike, and the proportions please my eye.  It looks 
exactly right.  30 minutes and 6 miles later, shoulder pain told me I was 
reaching too far to the bars, though.  I didn't realize that the long bike 
would fit long, too.  Since I noticed that Keven runs a dirt drop stem on 
his long bike, I called him about it.  He told me this bike's top tube is 
4cm longer than that of my 60cm Sam.  To get back those 4cm, I ordered an 
8cm stem.  I intend to sell the bullmoose Bosco bar with the Sam 
and move Sam's 55cm Bosco bar to the Appaloosa.  I think fit will be "just 
right" for me.

I wonder now if the Cheviot and the prototype Clems are long in this 
manner.  Another way - how does your stem length compare between these long 
bikes and your other Rivs?

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