I have a big ring of 44 and I use the 11 on almost every ride.  I'm pretty
happy with 44/28 up front and 11-34 in the back, 9 speed indexed shifting
with Microshift bar end, Deore M591-SGS derailer and HG50 cassette.  This
combination maxes out about 28-29 mph, which is fine for my usage.
Smallest gear of 28-34 has not had me walking as of yet.  (although, I
don't count it out on the several 20% grades around here).

-Jim

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It's true that if you max out at 100rpm for example, that your 46x12 has a
> max pedalling speed of about 30mph, but your 46x11 will allow you to pedal
> up to about 32mph.
>
> On Friday, December 12, 2014 1:38:48 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote:
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I suppose you could do that, but then 13 and 14 are awfully close
>> together. I couldn't even tell the difference as I lack your finesse.  :-)
>> In any event, if you are going to replace a sprocket, the 12 is the only
>> free one (not already attached to a group). So the 12 is the easy one to
>> swap.
>>
>> Yes, I admit that the 11 is only a downhill toy and otherwise useless.
>> But toys are toys and since I haven't grown up by now, it is a sure bet
>> that I'm not going to. Fortunately, I'm too weak to spin the 11 fast enough
>> to reach a dangerous speed anyway. Only gravity can do that for me now. The
>> 11 fills a niche to boost me a little faster on a very mild hill before I
>>  stop spinning and start braking on a bigger hill.   :-)
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com]
>> On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar
>> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 1:08 PM
>> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Friction shifting and pulleys again
>>
>> On 12/12/2014 03:57 PM, Doug Williams wrote:
>> > Well I do get hills where I live, and especially when I head north. My
>> > knees (and the rest of my body) are not getting any younger. So I like
>> > a full range of gears. I had decided to go with 8 gears for better
>> > friction shifting, and I think I should stick with that because most
>> > people report problems when friction shifting 9. But then I see the 9
>> > speed Shimano HG61 with bh-group sprocket teeth combination:
>> > 12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32-36T. Hey...remove the 12, replace it with an
>> > 11 (and an 11 lock ring) and you get 11-14-16-18-21-24-28-32-36T.
>> > Since the 11 would just be my "whoo hoo downhill gear" I wouldn't mind
>> > the 3 tooth jump going from 14 to 11 while going down hill. If I can't
>> > get up the next hill with a 24 in front and a 36 in the rear (17.3
>> > gear inches with 650b)...well...let's not say it.
>>
>> My goodness.  I see that cassette and I think how nice it would be to
>> remove the 12 and replace it with a first position 13...  12's too high
>> already, and what on earth would I do with an 11?
>>
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