Keith, we have the same pbh but I am 5'11 with longish torso and short arms, finding bikes that fit me is a pain . I was most recently riding a 56 bombadil. I am also in between on sizes. I wanted a Hunqapillar when they came out but didn't want a yard of seatpost on the 54 and the 58 gave me zero clearance. Same with 52/56 bombadil and 56/60(?) Sam, and the 58/61 Atlantis. The 60cm 650b Saluki would be a good fit but rare as hens teeth and not nearly the tire clearance I would want. For me the perfect bike would be a 55cm bombadil with a 60 cm TT and standover at around 84 with Max tires. The 56 bombadil fit well in the TT but a tad too large to go big rubber. A 58cm Sam/Joe appaloosa with clearance for 60s no fenders would also be great so fingers crossed. On Nov 30, 2014 11:30 PM, "dougP" <dougpn...@cox.net> wrote:
> Chris: > > Just for some more data points, I'm around 5'10" with an 85 cm PBH, and my > seat around 75 cm, on a 58 cm Atlantis with 38 mm Soma C-lines. I've also > used 40 mm Schwalbe Marathons. I would not ride anything bigger & could in > fact ride a 56 cm Atlantis. Hugh has a 56 shod with I believe 2.1" wide x > 26" tires. We've ridden each others bikes and agree that, while it's > close, the 56 has slightly more stand over than the 58. Hoping this helps > in your frame size cogitations. > > dougP > > On Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:59:51 PM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: >> >> Keith, >> >> I'm just shy of 6' tall and I've always thought of myself as short legged >> and longer torso'ed but I'm no longer sure that is accurate. My 1983 MTB >> has a seat-tube of 57.5cm and a S.O. of 83 and I'm perfectly comfortable >> riding it. In fact, I like how little seat-tube is showing and how easy it >> is to get the handlebars high, even with a very short quill stem. Another >> bike has about a 57cm seat-tube and 84cm S.O. and I can ride it but >> wouldn't want to go any taller. My saddle height might be closer to 74cm >> as I've recently realized that the one I set at 75cm has a lot of padding I >> probably compress, My much flatter, less padded saddle sits at less than >> 75cm from the BB. >> >> I've never ridden a Rivendell but I've looked at the geo charts of the >> bikes I'm interested in: >> >> I would ride a 54cm Hunqapillar. No question about it but the tires I >> would run would put the S.O. higher than I would want for anything rougher >> than smooth dirt. The next highest size would be way too big for me. >> >> On the Atlantis I think the 56cm would be the best height for me but >> given my experience with my other two bikes, I could ride a 58cm. The main >> appeal of the Atlantis for me is the 26" wheels so that would preclude the >> 58cm, regardless. >> >> I was thinking that maybe the 59cm Clem might be right for me but when >> Grant said up to 95 PBH, I pretty much counted it out. That's a huge jump >> and I'm thinking the 52 has to be the right size for me but it still sounds >> too small. >> >> The three framesets I'm currently considering are the Surly LHT (56cm/26" >> wheels), Troll (18") and Ogre (18"). The LHT would be just the right size >> although I might be able to stretch onto a 58cm. The Troll and Ogre will >> have a ton of seat post showing but that's normal for that type of bike and >> the extreme angle of the top-tube would make it very, very easy to get my >> handlebars where I want them. Plus, I really like the way MTB's ride. I'm >> currently riding a 26" wheel bike that is comparable in front-end geometry >> to the 26" LHT and it's a little too twitchy for me, even with Big Apples. >> I am coming off 3 weeks of riding an 83 MTB with 80 mm of Trail, though! I >> test rode a stock 26" LHT and the 26" wheels with 1.5" tires were just too >> twitchy for my tastes. I had thought maybe MTB bars and 55mm tires would >> fix that but my current bike with similar front geometry shows me that's >> not the case. >> >> I'm always on the lookout for a medium (18") Troll, Ogre or Karate Monkey >> with a saddle set at 75cm so I can see what the proportions look like and >> just his weekend a guy posted a Troll that fit the bill. It doesn't look >> too bad and given the Ogre has the same length seat tube, it should look >> the same. >> >> 18" Troll with 75cm saddle height: >> >> >> >> >> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-18B1ZYRq_fA/VHvZghlZiJI/AAAAAAAAADg/EHSp-JwyoRs/s1600/Medium%2BTroll%2Bwith%2B75cm%2Bsaddle%2B001.jpg> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, November 30, 2014 7:04:19 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote: >>> >>> Chris, >>> >>> If that Trek is a 52, the seatpost actually looks just about right..... >>> for the era it was made. Funny how, once you know better, those old bikes >>> just don't seem right anymore. Another funny thing though is that a lot of >>> people still jack the post up even further when they take photos to share, >>> because they still think that the head-down, NORBA style looks authentic. >>> So it probably only looks hideous to you. >>> >>> You and Peter now have me wondering, though, as we all three seem to be >>> about the same size (87 PBH, 75.5cm saddle height). I had been expecting >>> that the 59 was going to be a good fit for me, but I'm not so sure after >>> Grant's comments above. If either of you don't mind answering, I'm >>> curious: >>> >>> How tall are you, overall? I'm just shy of 6'-2". I always describe >>> my self as freakishly long-torso/short inseam. Would be interesting if >>> your more "normal" proportions confirm this, though. I have three 60cm >>> Rivendells (Ram / Quickbeam / All Rounder) which all fit pretty darn well. >>> All have roughly the same (perfect) standover height, but progressively >>> longer top tubes. Unlike you, I like the longest best though >>> >>> Another question: Do you find yourself "between" sizes on other >>> Rivendell models? I do. For instance, (not having tried either) I >>> really think I'm squarely between the 58 & 61 Atlantis, and the 54 & 58 >>> Hunquapillar. Which is part of why is I've been hoping that this bike was >>> going to work: A fat, 700c Rivendell in *MY* size. >>> >>> FWIW, I don't think I'd worry about selection in 650b tires any more, >>> given the clearance that this model will likely have and the abundance of >>> mountain bike tires out there. I worry more about getting an >>> ideal fit..... but I fear, once again, that I'm going to fall in the >>> middle. Maybe the new Joe Appaloosa, if it has similar clearance and is >>> truly based on stretching the existing Sam Hillborne?????!!!!!!! A 58 >>> Sam could be just about right...... >>> >>> Crossing my fingers. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:19:16 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: >>> >>>> I prefer a short top-tube but I'm worried about how much seatpost will >>>> be showing. I don't mind a lot of seatpost if the top-tube is sloped like >>>> a modern MTB. Riv's 2/6 degrees just won't work with a lot of seatpost. >>>> >>>> Actually, my primary concern is that I already have a set of Rich >>>> Lesnik built 700c wheels. I wouldn't mind having a set of 26" wheels >>>> built, and in fact, that's part of my tentative plan, because I know I like >>>> them and the tire selection for my riding style is good. 650B is an >>>> unknown quantity and I'm afraid I might be limited by tire selection. >>>> >>>> >>>> This is a 53.5 cm bike with the seatpost at the appropriate height for >>>> me. It's hideous. >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qlJY1HqdzIM/VHulu_VU0fI/AAAAAAAAADI/UNmEagrqRCQ/s1600/IMG_0774.JPG> >>>> >>>> >>>> And this is a 50cm. >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-QD61-BVYSYc/VHul3axTnEI/AAAAAAAAADQ/EwlkBuHBJSw/s1600/0000000000000%2BRockhopper%2B%284%29.JPG> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, November 30, 2014 2:31:44 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am the same size as you Chris and am wondering the same thing. I'm >>>>> afraid on a 52 the tt will be too short for my taste. >>>>> On Nov 30, 2014 1:52 PM, "Jim D Massachusetts" <jfxdi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Any pictures? Jim D Massachusetts >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:48:04 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It was smooth and stable and comfortable and responsive, the way all >>>>>>> Rivs are. It's going to be a great bike. And tire clearance. Wow! >>>>>>> Hunq-like. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Jim W. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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