They were never the same bike. There was a "long bike" which was produced 
as a custom for 10 buyers sight unseen, then a few protos of a production 
version were built, then Grant/Dave decided it wasn't a viable model. Now 
the Appaloosa name is being transferred to a new Sam-like bike with longer 
chainstays and cantis. The Clem Smith is and was the partially TIGed 
lower-cost Riv.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:47:23 PM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:

> Given that people had been hearing for months that the Sam's benching was 
> to make room for the Clem, it's reasonable for the quote above to cause the 
> speculation (about a possible Clem name shift) and confusion that has been 
> talked about on the forum over the last few days. 
>
> I guess.  But GP's earlier Clem comments were clear it was going to be a 
> utilitarian budget bike aimed at people who otherwise might not buy a 
> Rivendell.  Just did not make sense to me Riv would put its best seller on 
> hiatus in favor of budge model its primary market might not want.
>
>
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