Elephant made me a very nice offer on a full custom frame as part of
that run, but ultimately I acquired a complete Redwood instead.  It
was a lot more cost effective that way and I know that I will like my
new to me Redwood, because it's a Rivendell.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:44 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com
<cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
> RBW list-dwellers are a pretty unique pool of people. Consider the amount of
> items bought and sold here that are paid and shipped with trust and good
> intentions. I'm projecting a bit, but I don't think any of us would be too
> thrown off by a pre-sale item. Big-money items are different than a patch,
> mug or shirt, but I wouldn't put them out of the question, either.
>
> But even outside of the RBW orbit, I can think of Elephant bikes which is
> doing a run of frames pre-sale, sight unseen
> http://www.elephantbikes.com/blog/2014/09/14/stock-nfe-project.html I came
> real close to getting one, and eventually decided not to, NOT because of the
> pre-sale (which I never questioned for a second) but I just can't justify
> yet another bike at the moment. Give me a few more months...
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:20:17 AM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>>
>> Dave, you hit my biggest worry right on target regarding delays. I was
>> involved in a custom watch project through another forum that began in 2008
>> I think. Those just started shipping last month. It was really unsettling to
>> see how much hate and negativity was unleashed by the delays, despite many
>> of them being well out of control of those involved. And the real
>> kicker...NO money was ever taken in advance.
>>
>> It's enlightening to see how many little (big) processes must be set into
>> motion AND come together correctly just to get a simple shirt to market.
>> Extrapolate that out to a bike frame and things must get interesting.
>> Juggling chainsaws maybe.
>>
>> Even though my concern is simple screen printing, the idea of selling
>> something new I've never had in hand feels nervous. I think that's where the
>> history and reputation comes into play with what you guys do. And because
>> you do it well it seems safer from this side.
>>
>> All for blue stripy wool. All over. Everything. Stripe the planet!
>
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