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> Steve:

About the Surly vs Riv thing, here's a BIG disclaimer. I've only ridden a 
Long Haul Trucker, but not an Atlantis.  I've ridden a Sam Hillborne and an 
A. Homer Hilsen both extensively.  There's tons of little variables that 
could account for my differing experiences, the chiefs among them being fit 
and tires.  The LHT was too small for me, and was shod with "stout" tires. 
 My AHH is just right in terms of size and has Compass Barlow Pass tires, 
which is on the lighter end of the tire stoutness spectrum.

The LHT seemed to resist me.. like it never was as sprightly as I felt my 
legs were pushing it.  The AHH on the other hand seems to surge ahead when 
I apply power.  I can't really attribute this to any one thing, but I'm 
assuming the actual bike has quite a bit to do with it.

The Sam Hillborne was somewhere in between, even when shod with the exact 
same tires as the AHH, and with the fit dialed in almost identically as 
well.  56 SH = 61AHH in terms of effective top tube, so the SH, reach, etc 
was the same. 

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