Hey there!
I'm away from Rivendell (and email) until Monday, August 11th.  For Cheviot 
inquiries please email vi...@rivbike.com or call.  If you need immediate 
assistance please call 925-933-7304 or 800-345-3918.
Cheers,
keven

On Aug 3, 2014, at 5:35 PM, rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

>   Today's topic summary
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/topics
>       *       New guy to the forum [1 Update]
>       *       The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread [8 Updates]
>       *       FS: numerous parts/accessories - 650B MB Trimline tires, NSmyth 
> saddlebag, DirtDrops, CP brakes, etc [1 Update]
>       *       Deflate bike tires before ascent in car? [1 Update]
>       *       Get them while they're hot [1 Update]
>       *       Somewhat OT: Advice about basic Kindle versus Kindle Fire [1 
> Update]
>       *       Paul Thumbies or IRD stem mounted shifters? [1 Update]
>       *       Refined S240 setup! [4 Updates]
>       *       FS: three Velo Orange leather saddles [2 Updates]
>       *       FS: $1200+ of Men's Wool Cycling Gear [2 Updates]
>       *       Anything going on in Portland this Sunday? [2 Updates]
>       *       Hub Area Rack weight limit [1 Update]
>  New guy to the forum
>       *       Serial Griller <row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> Aug 03 11:58AM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       On Friday, August 1, 2014 2:25:08 PM UTC-6, Serial Griller 
> wrote:
>       *       > Homer Hilsen 60cm frame or complete bike.
>       *       > Anyone else on here from Colorado?
>       *       > Hello! 
>       *        
>       *       Thanks Guys! I can see this can get to be an addicting site and 
> hobby with 
>       *       no 12 step program!
>       *       Not sure if this is going to make it to the correct place.I'm 
> still 
>       *       navigating around this forum.
>       *       Jon
>       *        
>  The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread
>       *       lungimsam <john11.2...@gmail.com> Aug 03 01:04PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' 
> and/or 
>       *       frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much 
> our Rivbikes 
>       *       weigh.
>       *       
>       *       Would be informative to know:
>       *       1. Model
>       *       2. Framesize
>       *       3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
>       *       (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
>       *       dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete 
> build. But no 
>       *       bags/bottles on board, please).
>       *       4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun 
> to see what 
>       *       everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to 
> ask and not 
>       *       expected.
>       *       
>       *       I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>       *       So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot 
> weights.
>       *       
>       *       And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate 
> for 
>       *       Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta 
> the forum on 
>       *       a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>       *        
>       *       Marc Irwin <irwin7...@gmail.com> Aug 03 01:33PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       I'm afraid to even find out about the Hunq.
>       *        
>       *        
>       *       
> <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mY1_t_hJZIQ/UQNIbGcLQtI/AAAAAAAADts/NB1OYr5uyD8/s320/IMG_0225.JPG>
>       *        
>       *        
>       *       On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>       *        
>       *       Chris Chen <cc...@nougat.org> Aug 03 01:52PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Well that was easy.
>       *        
>       *       
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9096121718/in/photostream/
>       *        
>       *        
>       *        
>       *       -- 
>       *       "I want the kind of six pack you can't drink." -- Micah
>       *        
>       *       cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> Aug 03 02:10PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Where did you get that sticker???
>       *       Awesomeness!
>       *        
>       *       Cheers,
>       *       David
>       *        
>       *       "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>       *        
>       *        
>       *        
>       *        
>       *        
>       *        
>       *       William! <william.c.hender...@gmail.com> Aug 03 02:54PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Measured as I ride them, on my bathroom scale:
>       *        
>       *       58cm Roadeo with Brooks swallow, mavic 32h wheels with green 
> jack browns, 
>       *       misc spd clipless, sram force group, soba bars, acorn saddle 
> bag, 
>       *       flat/spare/toolkit: 20.5lbs
>       *        
>       *       61cm Atlantis with Shimano Deore/Sugino/Tektro/Silver 'group', 
> beefy 36h 
>       *       wheels with shimano dyno hub, fenders, B&M eyc dyno light, 
> brooks b17, jack 
>       *       brown blues, mks 'battle axe' grip king pedals, tubus cosmo 
> rear rack, v. 
>       *       old large baggins bag, small berthoud from RBW garage sale 
> containing 
>       *       flat/spare/toolkit, u-lock and saddle-security-cable: 31lbs.
>       *        
>       *        
>       *       Tom Harrop <twhar...@gmail.com> Aug 03 04:16PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       20 lb eh? I weighed my 68 cm Bomba with racks and lock but no 
> bags recently 
>       *       when I was considering boxing it up to ship to myself. SON dyno 
> front hub, 
>       *       Phil Wood rear, 60 mm Big Apples, Berthoud SS fenders. It was 
> 18 kg and 
>       *       change. I put an Ursus Jumbo kickstand on today, so I'm 
> thinking I might 
>       *       have tipped 20 kg... If I go past a public weighbridge anytime 
> soon I'll 
>       *       weigh in and report back!
>       *        
>       *       Heavy-ass bike yes, but I don't think there's one single 
> component I would 
>       *       want to remove. Everything's paying its way.
>       *        
>       *       Tim Gavin <tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com> Aug 03 06:34PM -0500 
>  
>       *       
>       *       I'll play! 31 lbs as shown.
>       *        
>       *       
>       *        
>       *       1. Rivendell Road Standard ('97 Waterford-built in Reynolds 753)
>       *       2. 59 cm
>       *       3. 31 lbs
>       *       4. Build:
>       *       Brakes: Tektro 559, Kool Stop Dura pads
>       *       Brake Levers: Dia-Compe 202, Yokozuna housing
>       *       Shifters: Rivendell Silver bar-ends. Yokozune housing
>       *       Front Der: Suntour Cyclone
>       *       Rear Der: Microshift from Rivendell
>       *       Crank: Stronglight 99 triple, 52/42/30
>       *       Pedals: Shimano Campus PD-A530, with Riv spikes added
>       *       BB: Campagnolo Record loose ball, Stronglight spindle
>       *       Cogs: 7-speed IRD freewheel, 11-30
>       *       Chain: SRAM PC-850
>       *       Seatpost: Specialized aluminum
>       *       Saddle: Brooks Flyer
>       *       Handlebar: Nitto Moustache
>       *       Headset: VO Grand Cru 1" threaded
>       *       Hubs: Phil Wood, freewheel 130 mm
>       *       Rims: Synergy (OC rear)
>       *       Spokes: DT Competition
>       *       Tires: Grand Bois Lierre, 650 x 38b
>       *       Cages: King Iris
>       *       Rack: Nitto Mt Campee R20
>       *       Fenders: SKS P45 Longboard, shorty front flap
>       *       Bell: Cranze Suzu brass
>       *       Bar wrap: Newbaum's blue, 4 coats shellac, over used innertube
>       *        
>       *       My Giordana gofast weighs 23 lbs, and my KOM gravel beast 
> weighs 35 lbs.
>       *       Weighed with an analog luggage scale.
>       *        
>       *       Tim Gavin
>       *       Cedar Rapids, IA
>       *        
>       *        
>       *        
>       *       "jphillip...@icloud.com" <jphillip...@icloud.com> Aug 03 
> 02:44PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       I climbed on the bathroom scale with my Hunqapillar and the 
> scale said 
>       *       47lbs (minus the rider)! So I emptied my saddle sack onto the 
> kitchen scale 
>       *       and the contents came to 5lbs (maybe I don't need so many Irish 
> straps?), 
>       *       and I would guess the medium saddlesack is about 3-4lbs, since 
> the the 
>       *       medium shopsack is 1lb, so my 54cm Hunq is about 38-39lbs with:
>       *        
>       *       Standard Hunqapillar albatross bar build
>       *       Nitto small front & big back racks
>       *       Medium Wald basket
>       *       SKS fenders & Riv mudflaps
>       *       50mm Marathon Supremes
>       *       Brooks flyer select saddle
>       *       White Industries pedals & BG halfclips
>       *       Son Dynamo & Luxos U headlamp
>       *       2 King Cage Iris bottle cages
>       *       1 brass Crane bell
>       *       1 mirror
>       *        
>       *       I guess I better recheck how much weight my bike racks can hold.
>       *        
>       *       Cheers,
>       *       John
>       *        
>       *       On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>       *        
>  FS: numerous parts/accessories - 650B MB Trimline tires, NSmyth saddlebag, 
> DirtDrops, CP brakes, etc
>       *       David Mayne <dma...@gmail.com> Aug 03 07:50AM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Hello Bo,
>       *        
>       *       Sorry I missed your post before - the shifters had gone fast, 
> but I still
>       *       have the dirt drop stem available if you want it.
>       *        
>       *       Thanks !
>       *        
>       *       David
>       *        
>       *        
>       *        
>       *       -- 
>       *       David
>       *        
>  Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?
>       *       "A. Collins" <yq7...@gmail.com> Aug 02 10:57PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       P1/T1=P2/T2 Gay Lussac's law so if P1 is 120psi and T1 is 75F 
> and T2 is 
>       *       125F P2 is 200 psi In my world, southern Arizona this would not 
> be an 
>       *       impossible swing. Starting at 50 psi with the same temperatures 
> you'd end 
>       *       up at 83.33F Asa
>       *        
>       *       On Saturday, August 2, 2014 10:48:03 AM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>       *        
>  Get them while they're hot
>       *       Thomas Skean <thomaslynnskean2...@gmail.com> Aug 03 05:25AM 
> -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Yeah, products that support only quantities this small don't 
> seem to have the "economic inertia" necessary to survive various external 
> forces. Or perhaps Grant simply wants to play with a new head badge design 
> (running the show should have some perks).
>       *        
>       *       Well, I'm glad I have two virtually identical Hillbornes (60cm 
> DTT W'ford canti) and plenty of Sackville/Nitto luggage configurations.
>       *        
>       *       Thomas Lynn Skean
>       *        
>  Somewhat OT: Advice about basic Kindle versus Kindle Fire
>       *       Braxton Colagross <braxtoncolagr...@gmail.com> Aug 03 10:31AM 
> -0700  
>       *       
>       *       I have a Kindle Paperwhite that I carry on overnights. A Kindle 
> e-reader is 
>       *       an ideal device, quite possibly the best, for reading novels 
> and anything 
>       *       that isn't graphically intensive. Since you're already buying 
> into Amazon's 
>       *       ecosystem, it makes even more sense for you. The battery does 
> realistically 
>       *       last for weeks rather than hours or days. I like that the 
> lighting system 
>       *       can be turned down very low so as not to adversely affect my 
> night vision 
>       *       and allow me to read without any other source of light (great 
> for 
>       *       overnights). As for Gmail, I recommend handling your email on 
> your 
>       *       smartphone. That said, the touch keyboard on the Paperwhite is 
> usable. In 
>       *       addition to the backlight, the touch keyboard gives the 
> Paperwhite a clear 
>       *       advantage over the base Kindle model. 
>       *        
>       *       On Saturday, August 2, 2014 11:19:31 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>       *        
>  Paul Thumbies or IRD stem mounted shifters?
>       *       Jonathan Shinefeld <jonshinef...@gmail.com> Aug 03 12:13PM 
> -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Hi Mike, I use a right hand thumbie on my Rambouillet with a 
> silver shifter and on my LHT / Bionx with a DA shifter. Rear levers are on 
> the DT (Rambouillet) and bar end (LHT). Both bikes have Nitto Noodle 
> handlebars and interruptor brake levers. I think the key to installation is 
> using a 90 degree noodle to quickly route the cable housing towards the down 
> tube. In my experience, they are terrific in city riding between stop signs 
> and traffic lights when I spend most of my time on the bar tops or hooks. I 
> don't find them nearly as convenient to shift on open road, having to reach 
> from the hoods to bar tops, but of course then I don't shift as much. 
>       *       Jon
>       *       Philly, PA
>       *        
>  Refined S240 setup!
>       *       David Stein <davecst...@gmail.com> Aug 03 03:23PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Thinking Samuel Taylor on Sept 20th or 27th for one night out 
> for anyone
>       *       interested in joining (Dan, Roger, anyone else). Those that 
> have been there
>       *       can chime in if I'm wrong, but sounds like the hiker/biker site 
> is first
>       *       come? If so can I be safe in assuming a spot if showing up 
> mid-afternoon on
>       *       a Saturday? Or safer to reserve one of the legit spots that are 
> reservable?
>       *       Will likely pedal up after lunch with goal of turning around 
> and back by
>       *       lunch time the next day.
>       *        
>       *        
>       *        
>       *       Roger <rogerdhod...@gmail.com> Aug 03 05:00PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       I've bike camped at Taylor several times and have always been 
> told by other 
>       *       cyclists that no cyclist is turned away. 
>       *       One time, the biker paddock was filled when another group of 
> cyclists 
>       *       showed up. The rangers led them away, but I don't really know 
> if it was to 
>       *       another site or out of the park. I've always chosen to think 
> positive, and 
>       *       that they were tucked in somewhere.
>       *        
>       *       On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:23:12 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>       *        
>       *       Roger <rogerdhod...@gmail.com> Aug 03 05:01PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       I've bike camped at Taylor several times and have always been 
> told by other 
>       *       cyclists that no cyclist is turned away. 
>       *       One time, the biker paddock was filled when another group of 
> cyclists 
>       *       showed up. The rangers led them away, but I don't really know 
> if it was to 
>       *       another site or out of the park. I've always chosen to think 
> positive, and 
>       *       that they were tucked in somewhere.
>       *        
>       *       On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:23:12 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>       *        
>       *       Anne Paulson <anne.paul...@gmail.com> Aug 03 05:11PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       It's supposed to be the policy of California parks with 
> hiker-biker sites
>       *       not to turn away bikers. I used to think that was the policy 
> for all
>       *       California campgrounds, but I was sent away from Steep Ravine 
> after I
>       *       unwisely showed up with no reservation.
>       *        
>       *        
>       *        
>       *       -- 
>       *       -- Anne Paulson
>       *        
>       *       It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
>       *        
>  FS: three Velo Orange leather saddles
>       *       dailyrandonneur <eddie...@gmail.com> Aug 03 04:09PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Time to clean out some saddles. All three of these Velo Orange 
> leather 
>       *       saddles were put on occasional use bikes and are in very good 
> condition. 
>       *        
>       *       All include adjusting wrenches, extra lacing and cloth bags as 
> shipped by 
>       *       Velo Orange. 
>       *        
>       *       Prices include Priority Mail shipping. Discounts of $20 for 
> purchase of all 
>       *       three, $10 for two. Paypal accepted.
>       *        
>       *       Photos here:
>       *       
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/sets/72157646156573554/
>       *        
>       *       1. Model 3 touring, honey. Mounted and briefly ridden, no sit 
> bone dents. 
>       *       Looks new. $65.
>       *        
>       *       2. Model 3 touring, honey. Light use, small sit bone dents. $55.
>       *        
>       *       3. Model 5 sprung touring, brown. Light use, small sit bone 
> dents. A few 
>       *       spots on underside from a puddle splatter. $50. 
>       *        
>       *       Thanks for looking!
>       *        
>       *       Ed F.
>       *       Washington, D.C.
>       *        
>       *       David Banzer <daban...@gmail.com> Aug 03 04:46PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Ed,
>       *       I'll take all if available. I can't reply offlist on mobile 
> version. Please pm me if you can. 
>       *       David
>       *        
>  FS: $1200+ of Men's Wool Cycling Gear
>       *       Adam DeFayette <adam.defaye...@gmail.com> Aug 03 01:43PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Sorry, I didn't realize that the list requires an exact price 
> on all FS 
>       *       items: $300 gets everything, shipped priority for free in the 
> CONUS.
>       *        
>       *       On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:17:51 PM UTC-4, Adam DeFayette 
> wrote:
>       *        
>       *       Anton Tutter <atut...@gmail.com> Aug 03 04:14PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Adam, I'll take the lot if still available, but I can't email 
> you directly from my mobile app. You can contact me through the email address 
> linked to my profile. Thanks!
>       *        
>       *       Anton
>       *        
>  Anything going on in Portland this Sunday?
>       *       Scot Brooks <scothinck...@gmail.com> Aug 03 01:56PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       I'm in Portland (from Seattle) today and I've been visiting 
> bike shops and drinking beer all day. There's a short course road race I 
> happened to notice, which is pretty out of character for Portland. If you see 
> a tall guy on a huge grey lugged Univega, just shout!
>       *        
>       *       Chris Chen <cc...@nougat.org> Aug 03 03:52PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       I'm smoking two racks of ribs at the unofficial used equipment 
> store of the
>       *       Mason Hill Rabble Rousers Fan Club, 3616 SE Knapp St.
>       *        
>  Hub Area Rack weight limit
>       *       dougP <dougpn...@cox.net> Aug 03 03:08PM -0700  
>       *       
>       *       Nitto is notoriously conservative so it could be rated for 
> something like 
>       *       that. But having had the HAR in my hands, it's well built & I 
> wouldn't 
>       *       hesitate to go over that. I use the Tubus Duo on my Atlantis 
> and typically 
>       *       carry up to 15 lbs per bag (including bag weight). 
>       *        
>       *       dougP
>       *        
>       *       On Sunday, August 3, 2014 12:51:24 PM UTC-7, john muhl wrote:
>       *        

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