l have had 3 back surgeries and 3 carpal tunnel / elbow surgeries so I have to run my bars (Salsa Woodchippers) HIGH. I use a Nitto Dirt Drop stem (10cm) at max extension (It took a little modification of the stem to allow the tight bends of the Woodchipper to fit through). So far my Atlantis is the only bike I can ride without severe numbness and pain in my hands. The bottom of the drops is about an inch lower than the seat. On my Ibis HD, I am running Jones bars with a real high stem and it isn't working. I think I will end up putting drop bars on it too.
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