I don't want to confuse the discussion about the Samuel Hillborne, the 56cm Samuel Hillborne in particular, but here goes.
Not every 56cm Samuel Hillborne has a 59cm TT. Patrick Moore's prototype Waterford Hillborne undoubtedly did, and the Geo charts still say that it does, but my Orange 56cm Hillborne does not. Mine has a 57.5cm top tube. At the time (December 2009) I was a little freaked out at the thought of a 59cm Top Tube. Keven told me that it had been changed to 57.5cm. I measured on my new frame when I bought it and confirmed that's what it was (57.5cm). I have no idea how many 56cm Hillbornes have a 59cm top tube like Patrick Moore's had, and how many have a 57.5cm top tube like mine. All I know for sure is that at least one was 59cm (Patrick's) and at least one is 57.5 cm (mine). If the OP ends up buying a new Sam Hillborne, then he'll need to start over comparing a 55cm and a 58cm Hillborne, with their associated geonumbers. If the OP buys a used 56, it may be useful to find out which TT length he is getting. As Patrick correctly pointed out, it matters (although nobody said it didn't), and as Grant correctly pointed out, it's not the only thing that matters or even the most important thing. On Saturday, July 26, 2014 8:23:36 AM UTC-7, grant wrote: > > It must be true that you ended up with too bigga bike. I don't remember > the particulars and I'm sorry if the bike didn't work out. I may have > misunderstood some answers to questions or maybe didn't ask the questions > (the ones that steer me toward a recommendation) as clearly as I should've. > I may have goofed, but I didn't actively and knowingly "sell" you a bike > that didn't fit. I'm not saying it happened without me, just that even back > then I was as conscientious (concerned about fit) as I am now. But...sorry. > > The Long Low happened like....15 or more years ago, and to this day the > length of a top tube remains easily misunderstandable. Of course it isn't > an isolated number. A 59cm top tube on one bike can feel short, and on > another bike, long...depending on Seat tube angle, even bb drop, stem exit > point and how that compares to seat tube length, and more obviously, to > handlebar shape. On a bike like a LongLow that is meant to accept > useful tires and fenders, the front-center dimension is another tie-in to > the frame geometry...but this is getting kind of deep & detailed & > defensive for what was supposed to be a quick apology with an acceptable > amount of personal defense! > > Anyway, sorry & best, > G > > On Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:28:36 AM UTC-7, Charlie wrote: >> >> I AGREE !!! >> >> Grant sold me a Long Low 58 with a very long top tube = NO standover >> clerance way too long top tube (could have turned the stem around backward >> to fit right). NOW it is with a new happy owner. >> Charlie >> >> On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:59:52 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>> A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long. >>> If you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to >>> the saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I >>> could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal >>> stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or >>> 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel. >>> I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the >>> saddle, when even for a "country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above >>> saddle. Top tube length matters! >>> >>> I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if >>> you don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube >>> length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a >>> given. >>> >>> The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their >>>> bikes. >>>> >>>> *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can >>>> always use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little >>>> more forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the >>>> centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other >>>> bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge >>>> sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars. >>>> >>>> -- >>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. >>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. >>> Other professional writing services. >>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/ >>> Patrick Moore >>> Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis >>> >>> ************************************* >>> * "Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to >>> never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from >>> it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* >>> * "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to >>> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind >>> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into >>> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your >>> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is >>> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was >>> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, >>> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where >>> in your time and your body can they be?* >>> * "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried. >>> "Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where >>> Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of >>> you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood * >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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