Ron, so were you joking above or just using "empirical" as a synonym for 
"objective"?  Clearly you don't mean that there is NOTHING objective.  My 
top tube is objectively 28.6mm in diameter.  I objectively rode my road 
bike 3.6 miles from the car repair shop to my office.  I subjectively 
enjoyed myself.  The bike subjectively felt fast to me.  My Bombadil is 
objectively heavier than my road bike and objectively slower with a given 
effort.  Subjectively I sometimes prefer to ride the Bombadil and sometimes 
I prefer to ride my road bike.  Just because people have different personal 
preferences doesn't mean that there are no objectively measureable 
quantities in the world of cycling.  Personal preference is subjective, 
that's for sure.  I can't tell you what you prefer, and you can't tell me 
what I prefer.  But there are plenty of aspects of cycling that are 
objectively measureable.  Those objective truths don't have to force your 
preference, but your preference doesn't change the measurements either. 
 You just like what you like.  

Maybe what you mean is that there is nothing in cycling that is both purely 
qualitative and objective.  Everybody makes qualitative judgments for 
themselves, subjectively.  If that's what you meant, then I agree with you. 
 

Sorry for delving into Philosophical Phriday.  I'm going to sneak out for a 
short ride on my lunch-hour

On Friday, March 28, 2014 11:46:24 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Bill is pretty accurate there, but I think the truth is nothing is 
> objective in cycling.  It's all subjective.  And that's OK.  We make our 
> choices for the function we desire.  
>
>
>

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