What I was pointing out was this... some people are not comfortable
using a bike that costs them a substanitial amount of money
(regardless of what company made the bike) as a touring bike. Some
people love scratches and rust and some dont-- and I think both are
ok. A lot of consumption? That seems like a stretch to me-- I mean, I
have a tuxedo that I dont wear to do yard work, not because it isnt up
to the task, but because to me it isnt the best option to do yard work
in. Having similiar articles,clothes, shoes, bikes, or whatever, that
may have overlap of function but not purpose seems pretty natural.
And, I think that is up to the individual to determine-- not carved in
stone. I agree that bikes are meant to be ridden, but how they are to
be ridden is a personal thing.

For the record, I dont tour on the Riv because it isnt a touring bike,
not out of fear of scratches, rust, dings, or dents. But also for the
record, I have done a fair number of tours, and for me, I wouldnt
spend that much money on a bike that gets abused the way my touring
bike get abused. If someone else wants to, perfect, but no way for me.
A touring bike needs to be just good enough..not great-- unless you
want it to be great.

They are all great bikes (including the Surly). Get the one that you
see yourself riding the most and being happiest with.

Not even close to offended-- You do your thing, I will do mine, and we
can high five when we cross paths.

Cheers!
cm
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