I can answer a few of those questions. The Heron bikes had different lugs, much 'plainer' than the Sachs-designed Riv lugs. They used a very distinctive seat lug with sockets for the stays, no mistaking that for anything else. IIRC they were all 531, making them less expensive than the 753 Riv-branded frames. The Heron site is still up at http://www.heronbicycles.com/, so you can view geometry charts and such. Per that site, production began in 1997, ownership transferred to Todd Kuzma in 2001, and production ended in 2007. The geometry shown for the Heron Road is nearly identical to that of my early Road Std., but all of my old readers and catalogs are packed away at the moment so I can't confirm a couple of details.
The Ram follows the pattern of the Long Low in using standard reach brakes and having more tire clearance. The drop was a little greater on the LL (as the name implies) than the Road, and I suspect but can't state for sure that the Ram has a bit more drop than a Road Std. None of Grant's bikes have had 'low-trail' designs, and I'd expect that to continue with the Roadeo. Bill On Jul 11, 10:07 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > With all the interest generated by the anticipated, new club-rider > road bike, thought it might be an appropriate time to bring up the > history of pre-Ram Rivendell road bikes. The only mention of these on > the cyclofiend site is in the list of models and there seems to be a > dearth of specific information on these bikes on the web in general. > Some specifics of interest to me: > Were the Heron Road and Rivendell Road Standard available at the same > time or did one succeed the other? Did they have the same lugs, > geometry, tubing? Is there a reliable way to differentiate a semi- > custom Road from a Road Standard? What features could be changed on a > custom - tubing, braze-ons, brakes, geometry? Were all match-built > Rivendell Roads Standards? Are geometry charts available for these > bikes - in Readers or catalogs? How will the new road bike compare to > these? From reading about the Ram, the major changes made from the > Roads were long reach brakes, wider fork crown, longer chain-stays, > double taper seat stays. Did trail and bb drop remain about the > same? Sounds like the new bike will have some features of both, but > lighter tubing than either. > David --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
