> Finally, I do agree that mfrs want customers loyalty. There going to
> design their components to work seamlessly. The fact that its
> incompatible with another mfr's system is probably not a
> consideration. Good Luck!

In the good old days of friction shifting, manufacturers won customer
loyalty by trying to make ders, shifters and freewheels that looked
and worked better than the competition.  The consumer enjoyed the
ability to mix and match according to personal need, budget and
aesthetics.

Now the big two make proprietary systems which limit the consumers'
ability to make the bike as they want.
I guess in one sense you could call this progress.  I really wonder
for whom.
On Jun 30, 12:22 pm, Brewster Fong <bfd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 8:29 am, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > Isn't it amazing how technological advances force customer loyalty?
> > You would almost think that was the reason for the 'advance' and not
> > improved experience for the rider.  Nah, manufacturers would never
> > dream of such a thing.
>
> I don't know, is it reasonable to expect mfrs to design their index
> shifting to match other companies equipment?  There's no reason for
> someone like Shimano to design their components to match Campy or visa
> versa. Of course, this could lead to goofy things like proprietary
> chainrings i.e., Campy's carbon "compact" cranks, especially those
> with one hidden chainring bolt, seem to come with 4 bolts at 110mm and
> the fifth bolt at 112mm!
>
> Of course, there are work-arounds. Sometimes, clunky, but do-able. For
> example, for Campy rings that come with the goofy 110/112bcd, Andy
> Muzi at Yellow Jersey has posted in another forum that all you need to
> do is grind down some of the chainring hole to make it fit a 110bcd.
> Further, you can make Campy and Shimano indexing work by mounting the
> der cable in the opposite direction.
>
> Finally, I do agree that mfrs want customers loyalty. There going to
> design their components to work seamlessly. The fact that its
> incompatible with another mfr's system is probably not a
> consideration. Good Luck!
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