On Jan 19, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Matthias Felleisen wrote:

> 
> -- you need the same abstractions over and over again: this calls for a 
> library system with proper linguistic support. Contrary to rumors, you can't 
> really build this support from lambdas and S-expression macros. Is our syntax 
> system perfect? Far from it, but it is better at just this task than anything 
> else I have encountered. So this is how we currently have #' #` and #,. 
> 

Sorry to pick this thread up four days later…

On the topic of syntax and the syntax system, I want to publicly heap praise on 
Flatt, Culpepper, et al. (FCDF) for their JfP paper, "Macros that Work 
Together." It's written like a textbook, and does a very nice job of explaining 
the need for Racket's systems. Several specific points:

1) It does a very nice job of setting out the landscape and the goals before 
diving into the models.
2) It builds a series of models, starting with simple ones and showing what 
goes wrong with them.
3) Finally, refuting an earlier comment, I would argue that it *does* provide 
insight that separates various concerns. Specifically (for instance), it points 
out that staged compilation solves problems in expansion, specifically with the 
expansion (or lack thereof) of transformer definitions.

Put this together with the new GPCE paper, and I think you've got a nearly 
complete textbook on the future of syntax.

John


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