I have to correct myself :),  because an important point is missing from this sentence:

Binomial distribution are defined as number of successes in independent trials.

correctly:

Binomial distribution are defined as number of successes in FIXED NUMBER OF independent trials.

Zoltan

2018. 11. 29. 15:23 keltezéssel, Botta-Dukát Zoltán írta:
Hi,

I'm sure that binomial is unsuitable for relative cover. Binomial distribution are defined as number of successes in independent trials. I think this scheme cannot be applied to relative cover or visually estimated cover. It is important because both number of trials and probability of success influence mean and variance, thus both should have a meaning that correspond to terms in this scheme.

Unfortunately, I have no experience with tweedie distribution. I am also interested in experience of others! In theory an alternative would be zero-inflated beta distribution (after rescaling percentage between zero to one interval). Do some has an experience (including its availability in R) with it?

Cheers

Zoltan

2018. 11. 28. 20:47 keltezéssel, Vasco Silva írta:
Hi,

I am trying to fit a GLMM on percent cover for each species using glmer:

str(cover)
'data.frame': 102 obs. of  114 variables:
$ Plot : Factor w/ 10 levels "P1","P10","P2",..: 1 1 1 1 1 3 3 ...
$ Sub.plot: Factor w/ 5 levels "S1","S2","S3",..: 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 ...
$ Grazing : Factor w/ 2 levels "Fenced","Unfenced": 1 1 1 1 1 1 1  ...
$ sp1 : int  0 0 0 1 0 0 1 ...
$ sp2 : int  0 0 0 0 0 3 3 ...
$ sp3 : int  0 1 0 0 1 3 3 ...
$ sp4 : int  1 3 13 3 3 3 0 ...
$ sp6 : int  0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
  ...
$ tot  : int  93 65 120 80 138 113 ...

sp1.glmm <- glmer (cbind (sp1, tot- sp1) ~ Grazing + (1|Plot), data=cover,
family=binomial (link ="logit"))

However, I wonder if binomial distribution can be used (proportion of
species cover from a total cover) or if I should  fitted the GLMM with
glmmTMB (tweedie distribution)?

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could help me.

Cheers.

Vasco Silva

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