Hello Duncan,

I guess a few people might expect me to contribute to your request. First I'll 
assure you that two graphics do have an alt tag which my screen reader is 
telling me about, so in a sense that is success. I did not check with multiple 
screen readers or different browsers because I would only find fault if I used 
inferior software; I expect success with JAWS or NVDA to represent the other 
and likewise for browsers. These two successes are the lattice and base 
graphics relating to the volcano data. Others are not showing to my screen 
reader (JAWS) and browser (Chrome) on my OS (Windows). I note that these are 
inserted using <img> though.

What should appear in an alt tag is an area of much debate though, and the 
attitude towards their creation differs widely. I believe that the context is 
the primary driver for what should be communicated. In your context, where you 
are obviously writing about the package (in general) and comparison of lattice 
v base graphics (where I do see the alt tags), it is the main text that should 
be communicating with your audience. You know what you are writing and why. If 
you do not write about the differences then you leave it up to chance that your 
(mostly visually-dependent) audience sees the differences that matter to you 
and your efforts as an author/developer. Complementing that information 
intended for the whole audience with a sensible alt tag on the graphics for the 
blind part of your audience, would be fundamentally different to what you might 
need to offer for the same graphics in another context, say an analysis feeding 
into a business report for example. In your context, the blind person needs to 
know that the graphic does appear, and that the graphic has a unique (enough) 
label to make it obvious which graphic appeared where. We do not need a full 
description of every last detail of each graphic, although in other contexts, 
that is exactly what we need.

Generating alt tag text automatically (no human interaction) is going to 
deliver on the technical aspects, without the analytic outcomes, although our 
recent efforts with the BrailleR package are trying to offer more and more 
factual information that could help with the analysis of the data. Our main aim 
is to assure the blind producer of a graphic that it does actually exist and 
what (roughly) it shows; it would not be great text for an alt tag in most 
circumstances. I've done some limited testing with AI solutions but haven't yet 
been overwhelmed by positive experiences.

Anyone using an R markdown workflow can add alt text using the fig.alt option 
in the header of their chunks. Without that, the fig.cap option is used, and if 
neither is used, the screen reader user is victim to their personal settings. 
(We choose whether to be told about unlabelled graphics which used to be 
helpful for ignoring advertising.) I don't put unique alt tags in all of my 
work because I just need to convey that the graphic is there, but I do make 
sure there is a default bit of text that saves blind users with the wrong 
settings from their decisions. 


An author wishing to support blind consumers of their efforts, could spend lots 
of time working out what to write, and never get it perfectly correct because 
the desires of those consumers are not homogeneous. I advise people to use an 
alt tag, but to make sure it does not duplicate what is already said in the 
main text of their document. Authors already do this when thinking about the 
right caption for their figures, but it is easy to see how varied that can be. 
At least the target audience of captions is well known to the author given the 
author is part of that population; in contrast, most authors are not blind and 
may over or under-estimate the needs of the blind readers of their work. Before 
doing everything an individual requests, please make sure that what is being 
sought is in keeping with what you are hoping to communicate.

I despair at the retrospective creation of alt tags, especially if applied to 
living documents. Creation of alt tags is simple for anyone using regular 
markdown based insertion of their graphics because the ![]() construct embraces 
them in the []. Authors using a LaTeX workflow must load an additional package 
and add an optional argument to their \includegraphics{} commands. MS Word 
users can label their graphics anytime but of late there is an increased use of 
an automated alt tag creation for them (and messages in Outlook too for that 
matter). I am loathed to fully describe the LaTeX pipeline unless the author is 
also committed to producing their output in HTML as I have utter contempt for 
the pdf (or post script) that is the default for most authors using any TeX 
workflows.

Post hoc editing of html is perhaps the worst possible action I observe. This 
process has separated the creator of the content from the creator of the access 
for blind people, and is heavily reliant on the skill set of the accessibility 
"expert". Such editing is common in university settings where the Disability 
Support Service is responsible for the accessibility. If I was an undergraduate 
today, I'd be camping outside the doors of my teaching staff to get the alt 
tags inserted. I spent plenty of time back then, sitting in corridors waiting 
my turn, but so many of the access challenges of the dead-tree era are 
thankfully behind us.


I'm curious though that a blind person is going to benefit much from your 
package given so much of what I read relies on using a mouse, or having the 
ability to imagine the 3d data projected into an inherently 2d 
page/screen/image. In turn, that inaccessibility might heavily influence my 
effort to provide comprehensive alt tags.

I'd be more than happy to continue this conversation, and to do so on list 
because I think there are so many opportunities on offer today for people to 
embrace; many of which will not create piles of extra work.

Jonathan



-----Original Message-----
From: R-package-devel <r-package-devel-boun...@r-project.org> On Behalf Of 
Duncan Murdoch
Sent: Saturday, 18 March 2023 8:26 am
To: r-package-devel@r-project.org
Subject: [R-pkg-devel] Screen reader help request

I received a request a few days ago to add alt text to the plots in the HTML 
vignettes for the rgl package.

That was easy to do, and I did it, but realized most of the graphics that rgl 
produces are not in <img> format, they are WebGL canvases, and those don't 
support the same method of adding alternate text.  Online I've seen a variety 
of suggestions about how to do it for <canvas> elements, and have implemented 
one of them.

Could I ask someone who is familiar with one or more screen readers to test 
whether the method that I used works?  A sample web page produced with the new 
code is here:

   
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdmurdoch.github.io%2Frgl%2Fdev%2Farticles%2Frgl.html&data=05%7C01%7Ca.j.godfrey%40massey.ac.nz%7Ccd3d6ce4f3e1439e61da08db271d7564%7C388728e1bbd0437898dcf8682e644300%7C1%7C0%7C638146779729138276%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=V0dX8tOrAEZQIVizo%2FBrdB3zEXJRfIXUqqVvPiEMcHY%3D&reserved=0

The very first graphic is a plot of the iris data, and it should have alt text 
reading "rglwidget in chunk unnamed-chunk-1".

That was default text generated without user input, users could put whatever 
they wanted there instead.

Some related questions:

  - Could you suggest better default text to use?

  - Could you suggest good custom text for this particular graphic?

  - The text is inserted when some Javascript has run to initialize the page, 
so if the Javascript fails, there'll be no alt text.  Is that a reasonable 
limitation?

Duncan Murdoch

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