Dear Hadley, a follow up mail: You know who they are. Your organisation has the policy to add all email correspondence with CRAN to the github repo.
https://github.com/r-lib/gargle/tree/master/cran-correspondence That's how I now also found out who they are. One is a doctor. She has a PhD. The mere fact you insinuate that this woman could be a student, is disturbing. The other obtained an engineer degree in 2011, and is currently obtaining a second one in Economics while working as a project assistant. Also here I find it disturbing you question the competence of someone with that experience, and who was selected by people known for their thoroughness. In light of this new information, I fail to understand why you even bother asking for information you had already. I would appreciate if you would stop gaslighting about CRAN and show those ladies the respect they deserve. Kind regards Joris On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 11:06 AM Joris Meys <joris.m...@ugent.be> wrote: > Dear Hadley, > > given you're on the list of R foundation members, I rest assured you have > other channels to ask about the identity of new CRAN staff directly to > those responsible. Their names and paychecks are of no interest to the > general dev world. I can understand CRAN doesn't want to make these names > public, in order to avoid thousands of beginning devs mailing them directly > with questions that should be answered elsewhere. > > I'd like to take a moment to thank CRAN for extending their workforce. > Given the increased workload, this was long overdue. I'm fully confident > the responsible CRAN maintainers made a thorough selection of competent > people. They're not known for their laissez-faire attitude. > > I further note that: > > 1) the devoid package is on CRAN. > > 2) Where cat() is used in gargle, message() is a better option for the > following reason: > > > myfun <- function(){cat("Yes");message("No")} > > suppressMessages(myfun()) > Yes > > This is how I train my students, but you're entitled to your own opinion > obviously. When the opinion of a dev differs from CRAN however, it's up to > them to argue with CRAN about why their vision is correct. A third party > public complaint seems to be the norm lately, but in our region such things > are generally frowned upon, as it's considered basic politeness to solve > differences with the people directly. > > Finally, I'd like to point out that one can easily use the argument > "repos" in install.packages() to install from a different repository. So > there's absolutely no problem to have your own repo where you hire the > people and make the rules. That might save you a few emails to the dev > lists. > > I hope your ongoing problems with CRAN get resolved soon. > All the best. > > Joris > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:26 PM Hadley Wickham <h.wick...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Several people on my team have received responses to their CRAN >> submissions from new members of the CRAN team who appear to be student >> assistants (judging from their job titles: "Studentischer >> administrativer Mitarbeiter"). From the outside, they appear to be >> exercising editorial control[^1] and conducting design reviews[^2]. >> >> CRAN is a critical piece of R community infrastructure, and I am sure >> these students have been surrounded by the proper checks and balances, >> but it's not obvious what their role is from the outside. I'd really >> appreciate knowing a little more about them: >> >> * Who are they? >> >> * Are they paid employees or volunteers? >> >> * What is their scope of work? >> >> * How are they trained? >> >> * If we believe that they have made a mistake, how do we request >> review from a senior CRAN member? >> >> * They appear to be able to apply additional discretionary criteria >> that are not included in R CMD check or documented in the CRAN policies. >> Is this true? If so, what is the scope of these additional checks? >> >> Hadley >> >> [^1]: The devoid package was rejected because the student assistant >> did not understand the purpose of the package. >> >> [^2]: The gargle package was rejected because the student assistant >> believed that the use of cat() was incorrect. It was not. >> >> -- >> http://hadley.nz >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel >> > > > -- > Joris Meys > Statistical consultant > > Department of Data Analysis and Mathematical Modelling > Ghent University > Coupure Links 653, B-9000 Gent (Belgium) > > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Coupure+links+653,%C2%A0B-9000+Gent,%C2%A0Belgium&entry=gmail&source=g> > > tel: +32 (0)9 264 61 79 > ----------- > Biowiskundedagen 2017-2018 > http://www.biowiskundedagen.ugent.be/ > > ------------------------------- > Disclaimer : http://helpdesk.ugent.be/e-maildisclaimer.php > -- Joris Meys Statistical consultant Department of Data Analysis and Mathematical Modelling Ghent University Coupure Links 653, B-9000 Gent (Belgium) <https://maps.google.com/?q=Coupure+links+653,%C2%A0B-9000+Gent,%C2%A0Belgium&entry=gmail&source=g> tel: +32 (0)9 264 61 79 ----------- Biowiskundedagen 2017-2018 http://www.biowiskundedagen.ugent.be/ ------------------------------- Disclaimer : http://helpdesk.ugent.be/e-maildisclaimer.php [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ______________________________________________ R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
