Hi Thierry,
Thank you so much for your response! I ran the model and I obtained
some strange results (see below). Is there a simple way to compute a
condition x difference interaction with the lme? Also, I read in the R
Book (Crawley, 2007) that repeated measures on the same day would be
temporal pseudoreplication. Being that I have 3 repeated measures for
each condition x difference pair, I assumed that each measurement
(variable "rep") would be a random effect variable along with subject.
Is this a correct assumption? If not, should I switch back to a
repeated measures ANOVA?
Thank you so much!!
Best,
Dave Deriso
UCSD Psychology
study.lme = lme(value~condition:diff - 1,random=~1|subject)
> summary(study.lme)
Linear mixed-effects model fit by REML
Data: NULL
AIC BIC logLik
19354.54 19405.71 -9666.272
Random effects:
Formula: ~1 | subject
(Intercept) Residual
StdDev: 37786.52 59827.67
Fixed effects: value ~ condition:diff - 1
Value Std.Error DF t-value p-value
condition1:diff25 300110.0 9506.69 746 31.56829 0
condition2:diff25 327827.6 9506.69 746 34.48388 0
condition3:diff25 276391.2 9506.69 746 29.07334 0
condition1:diff50 356877.5 9506.69 746 37.53962 0
condition2:diff50 339113.9 9506.69 746 35.67108 0
condition3:diff50 340492.1 9506.69 746 35.81606 0
condition1:diff75 420141.8 9506.69 746 44.19432 0
condition2:diff75 409093.6 9506.69 746 43.03218 0
condition3:diff75 409342.6 9506.69 746 43.05837 0
Correlation:
cn1:25 cn2:25 cn3:25 cn1:50 cn2:50 cn3:50 cn1:75 cn2:75
condition2:diff25 0.545
condition3:diff25 0.545 0.545
condition1:diff50 0.545 0.545 0.545
condition2:diff50 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545
condition3:diff50 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545
condition1:diff75 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545
condition2:diff75 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545
condition3:diff75 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545 0.545
Standardized Within-Group Residuals:
Min Q1 Med Q3 Max
-6.15651930 -0.55808827 -0.02570532 0.52282057 5.06724039
Number of Observations: 783
Number of Groups: 29
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:01 AM, ONKELINX, Thierry
<thierry.onkel...@inbo.be> wrote:
> Dear Dave,
>
> I think you want this model.
>
> lme(value~condition:diff - 1,random=~1|subject)
>
> Note that I removed the replicate ID from the model. Include it in the model
> makes only sense if you can expect a similar replication effects the
> first/second/thirth time that a subject performs your test.
>
> HTH,
>
> Thierry
>
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>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
>> [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] Namens Dave Deriso
>> Verzonden: donderdag 20 mei 2010 9:27
>> Aan: David Atkins
>> CC: r-help@r-project.org
>> Onderwerp: Re: [R] Mixed Effects Model on Within-Subjects Design
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Thank you for your helpful advice. I will take a look at the
>> multicomp package.
>>
>> I was wondering where the lme() function outputs the
>> interaction between condition*difficulty?
>>
>> Below is the output to the code I had originally sent. Which
>> one of these is condition*difficulty?
>>
>> Fixed effects: value ~ condition * diff
>> Value Std.Error DF t-value p-value
>> (Intercept) 300109.95 9506.690 688 31.568289 0.0000
>> condition2 27717.65 9071.048 688 3.055617 0.0023
>> condition3 -23718.72 9071.048 688 -2.614772 0.0091
>> diff50 56767.55 9071.048 688 6.258103 0.0000
>> diff75 120031.80 9071.048 688 13.232408 0.0000
>> condition2:diff50 -45481.21 12828.399 688 -3.545354 0.0004
>> condition3:diff50 7333.37 12828.399 688 0.571651 0.5677
>> condition2:diff75 -38765.77 12828.399 688 -3.021871 0.0026
>> condition3:diff75 12919.59 12828.399 688 1.007109 0.3142
>>
>> Also, why are diff25 and condition1 missing from the output??
>>
>> Thanks again for your generous help!!!
>>
>> Best,
>> Dave Deriso
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:08 PM, David Atkins
>> <datk...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dave--
>> >
>> > Given that you want all comparisons among all means in your
>> design, you won't get that directly in a call to lme (or lmer
>> in lme4 package). Take a look at multcomp package and its
>> vignettes, where I think you'll find what you're looking for.
>> >
>> > cheers, Dave
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science University of
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>> > Dear R Experts,
>> >
>> > I am attempting to run a mixed effects model on a within-subjects
>> > repeated measures design, but I am unsure if I am doing it
>> properly. I
>> > was hoping that someone would be able to offer some guidance.
>> >
>> > There are 5 independent variables (subject, condition, difficulty,
>> > repetition) and 1 dependent measure (value). Condition and
>> difficulty
>> > are fixed effects and have 3 levels each (1,2,3 and 25,50,75
>> > respectively), while subject and repetition are random
>> effects. Three
>> > repeated measurements
>> > (repetitions) were taken for each condition x difficulty
>> pair for each
>> > subject, making this an entirely within-subject design.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I would like an output that compares the significance of
>> the 3 levels
>> > of difficulty for each condition, as well as the overall
>> interaction
>> > of condition*difficulty. The ideal output would look like this:
>> >
>> > condition1:diff25 vs. condition1:diff50 p_value = ....
>> > condition1:diff25 vs. condition1:diff75 p_value = ....
>> > condition1:diff50 vs. condition1:diff75 p_value = ....
>> >
>> > condition2:diff25 vs. condition1:diff50 p_value = ....
>> > condition2:diff25 vs. condition1:diff75 p_value = ....
>> > condition2:diff50 vs. condition1:diff75 p_value = ....
>> >
>> > condition3:diff25 vs. condition1:diff50 p_value = ....
>> > condition3:diff25 vs. condition1:diff75 p_value = ....
>> > condition3:diff50 vs. condition1:diff75 p_value = ....
>> >
>> > condition*diff p_value = ....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Here is my code:
>> >
>> > #get the data
>> > study.data
>> =read.csv("http://files.davidderiso.com/example_data.csv";,
>> > header=T)
>> > attach(study.data)
>> > subject = factor(subject)
>> > condition = factor(condition)
>> > diff = factor(diff)
>> > rep = factor(rep)
>> >
>> > #visualize whats happening
>> > interaction.plot(diff, condition, value, ylim=c(240000,
>> > 450000),ylab="value", xlab="difficulty", trace.label="condition")
>> >
>> > #compute the significance
>> > library(nlme)
>> > study.lme = lme(value~condition*diff,random=~1|subject/rep)
>> > summary(study.lme)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you so much for your generous help!!!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Dave Deriso
>> > UCSD Psychology
>> >
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