> From: Dimitri Liakhovitski
> Thank you very much, Andy.
> I did turn off HTML - hope it'll solve the problem!
Indeed it does!
[...]
> > [AL]: As I said, you are recommended to use importance() to extract
> > variable importance. The recommendation is for avoiding confusions
> > like yours. If you want to know what the components in the objects
> > give you, compare to what the extractor function returns,
> you can look
> > inside the extractor function to find out for yourself.
> Really, I'm
> > not trying to be difficult, but there are very good reasons for not
> > accessing the components directly when extractor functions
> exist. If
> > the underlying components are somehow changed in the
> future, only the
> > extractor functions are guaranteed to give you the "right
> thing". I
> > added the extractor function for importance measures
> precisely because
> > the way they are computed changed.
>
> Andy, I'll explain why I am asking. I probably should have
> done it in the beginning:
> I am asking not in order to figure out how to do it. I am
> asking in order to figure something that' was done around
> November 01, 2008.
> Back then, a piece of code was run where from the object of
> randomForest(.... importance=T...) the importances
> ($importance) were extracted (just by referring to
> $importance) and the first column was used.
> Do you happen to know what they were back then? Standardized or not?
The change coincided with the introduction of the importanceSD component, due
to the change in how the importance is measured. The "importance" component
are just mean(d[i]), and importanceSD are sd(d[i])/sqrt(ntree). The
importance() function by default (scale=TRUE) does the normalization, and
that's what you should use. Leo found that this normalization will greatly
reduce the "bias" due to different number of possible splits in different
predictors.
Andy
> Thank you!
> Dimitri
>
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