On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:15 PM, js.augus...@gmail.com wrote:

> Does not this give you what you need?
> model.tables(rawfixtimedata.aov,"means", se=TRUE)

I tried that, but get an error:
SEs for type 'means' are not yet implemented

I don't get that error. Using the example and this call

model.tables(npk.aov,"means", se=TRUE)

 ....I get tables and then:

Standard errors for differences of means
        block     N     P     K   N:P   N:K   P:K
        2.779 1.604 1.604 1.604 2.269 2.269 2.269
replic.     4    12    12    12     6     6     6

Is your version of R current?


Maybe I'm not using the correct terminology to describe what I need to do. Using the main effect of Marking as an example, I have the following mean fixation times for each of 12 subjects:

> txt <-"Sub Absent Present
+ 1     1278 586
+ 2     2410     571
+ 3     408      477
+ 4     645      371
+ 5     265      415
+ 6     4871     354
+ 7     1878     790
+ 8     6064     592
+ 9     761      363
+ 10    1073     566
+ 11    1043     383
+ 12    1170     290"

> marking.t <- read.table(textConnection(txt), header=TRUE, row.names="Sub")
> marking.t
   Absent Present
1    1278     586
2    2410     571
3     408     477
4     645     371
5     265     415
6    4871     354
7    1878     790
8    6064     592
9     761     363
10   1073     566
11   1043     383
12   1170     290

That list copied into R produces this pair of means

> mean(marking.t)
   Absent   Present
1822.1667  479.8333




The means for markings present and absent, respectively, as reported by both R and SPSS were:
factor(marking)
Present Absent
480 1822





The standard errors for these means, SE(x) = SD(x)/sqrt(n), should be:
Present Absent
41.42 525.55

> sd(marking.t)/sqrt(nrow(marking.t))
   Absent   Present
525.58353  41.44599





Which is what SPSS gives. I need to know how to get R to compute the same values.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Jason



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