Great discussion thread.
The problem is not a mailing list. The problem is the inability to
segment questions. Segment, by keyword or sub-directory (loose word) or
any other compartmentalization.
QUESTION
What other technology options are available here beyond a mailing list?
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On 1/13/22 8:25 AM, Duncan Murdoch wrote:
Currently help for contributed packages is available on StackOverflow,
package-specific web sites and Github.
I rarely read package-specific (e.g. RStudio) web pages, and have only
posted questions there a few times, with generally unsatisfactory
results.
Most package developers (including tidyverse ones) respond very
helpfully on Github, but to post there you need to already have a very
good idea of where the problem lies. It's not an appropriate place
for beginners to ask for help.
That leaves StackOverflow. It gets way too much traffic from people
who don't pose their questions well, but it has the advantage over a
mailing list that questions can be edited and improved (or deleted)
after the fact. We should be sending beginners there. And if you
want to read questions and help people, apply N95 filters to the
questions: e.g. I mainly read questions that have been unanswered and
undeleted for an hour or more.
Duncan Murdoch
On 13/01/2022 7:44 a.m., Kevin Thorpe wrote:
This is an interesting issue and something I have been thinking about
raising with my fellow volunteer moderators.
I honestly don’t know what the best solution is. Personally, I would
loathe having to check multiple web-forums/mailing lists to find an
answer. New users often do not appreciate the subtleties (i.e.
RStudio is not R) and will continue to post here. The frequent reply
to questions outside base R that inform them they are off-topic could
come across as unfriendly. That could have the side effect of making
the community appear elitist. Folks are also often referred to
package maintainers but not all maintainers are equally responsive to
queries about their packages. In summary, it can be very hard for
novice users to get the help they need.
I appreciate the desire of many to keep the focus of this list
narrow, yet despite the narrow mandate there are many readers who can
answer non-base R questions, which is probably one of the reasons we
see the questions. I wonder if there would be an appetite to create a
new list, R-package-help, that has a broad mandate (as suggested by
Avi). Naturally there is no guarantee that specific questions about
some esoteric package will be answered, but that’s a different
problem. On the other hand, why not expand the mandate of R-help
rather than going to the trouble of creating a new list? Like I said,
I don’t know.
Thanks for raising the issue.
Kevin
On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:24 PM, Jeff Newmiller
<jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
TL;DR The people responsible for tidyverse don't think much of
mailing lists.
IANAMLA (I am not mailing list admin) and I know some people get
kind of heated about these things, but my take is that this list
_is_ about R so to be on topic the question needs to be about R and
how to get things done in R. Since contributed packages are almost
by definition creating capabilities linked with specific problem
domains or domain-specific-languages (DSLs), and there are thousands
of these, it isn't practical to support questions framed within
those DSLs here. It seems perfectly legitimate IMHO to mention such
packages here, as long as the question does not hinge on that
package, and even to offer small solutions to posed R problems using
such packages. Others may disagree with my perspective on this.
Unfortunately all of this this subtlety is usually lost upon
newbies, much to the detriment of this list's reputation.
The responsibility to setup and manage support for contributed
packages belongs to the package maintainer. In the case of
tidyverse, the general opinion of those people seems to be that web
forums avoid the "only unformatted info can be shared" nature of
traditional mailing lists, so mailing lists have AFAIK not been
built or tended.
Unfortunately, they also try to "allow all topics" as much as
possible in those forums to minimize the appearance of
unfriendliness to beginners, but my impression is that this leads to
such a wide range of topics that many posts don't get answered. I
have certainly found it to be just too much quantity to sift
through, and I really am selective about which portions of the
tidyverse I work with anyway, so I don't hang out there much at all.
On January 12, 2022 7:27:20 PM PST, Avi Gross via R-help
<r-help@r-project.org> wrote:
Respectfully, this forum gets lots of questions that include
non-base R components and especially packages in the tidyverse.
Like it or not, the extended R language is far more useful and
interesting for many people and especially those who do not wish to
constantly reinvent the wheel.
And repeatedly, we get people reminding (and sometimes chiding)
others for daring to post questions or supply answers on what they
see as a pure R list. They have a point.
Yes, there are other places (many not being mailing lists like this
one) where we can direct the questions but why can't there be an
official mailing list alongside this one specifically focused on
helping or just discussing R issues related partially to the use of
packages. I don't mean for people making a package to share, just
users who may be searching for an appropriate package or using a
common package, especially the ones in the tidyverse that are NOT
GOING AWAY just because some purists ...
I prefer a diverse set of ways to do things and base R is NOT
enough for me, nor frankly is R with all packages included as I
find other languages suit my needs at times for doing various
things. If this group is for purists, fine. Can we have another for
the rest of us? Live and let live.
-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.dun...@gmail.com>
To: Kai Yang <yangkai9...@yahoo.com>; R-help Mailing List
<r-help@r-project.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2022 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: [R] how to find the table in R studio
On 12/01/2022 3:07 p.m., Kai Yang via R-help wrote:
Hi all,
I created a function in R. It will be generate a table "temp". I
can view it in R studio, but I cannot find it on the top right
window in R studio. Can someone tell me how to find it in there?
Same thing for f_table.
Thank you,
Kai
library(tidyverse)
f1 <- function(indata , subgrp1){
subgrp1 <- enquo(subgrp1)
indata0 <- indata
temp <- indata0 %>% select(!!subgrp1) %>%
arrange(!!subgrp1) %>%
group_by(!!subgrp1) %>%
mutate(numbering =row_number(), max=max(numbering))
view(temp)
f_table <- table(temp$Species)
view(f_table)
}
f1(iris, Species)
Someone is sure to point out that this isn't an RStudio support list,
but your issue is with R, not with RStudio. You created the table in
f1, but you never returned it. The variable f_table is local to the
function. You'd need the following code to do what you want:
f1 <- function(indata , subgrp1){
subgrp1 <- enquo(subgrp1)
indata0 <- indata
temp <- indata0 %>% select(!!subgrp1) %>% arrange(!!subgrp1) %>%
group_by(!!subgrp1) %>%
mutate(numbering =row_number(), max=max(numbering))
view(temp)
f_table <- table(temp$Species)
view(f_table)
f_table
}
f_table <- f1(iris, Species)
It's not so easy to also make temp available. You can do it with
assign(), but I think you'd be better off splitting f1 into two
functions, one to create temp, and one to create f_table.
Duncan Murdoch
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