On 23/07/2008, at 1:17 PM, Frank E Harrell Jr wrote:

Michal Figurski wrote:
Hmm...
It sounds like ideology to me. I was asking for technical help. I know what I want to do, just don't know how to do it in R. I'll go back to SAS then. Thank you.
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Michal J. Figurski

You don't understand any of the theory and you are using techniques you don't understand and have provided no motivation for. And you are the one who is frustrated with others. Wow.

Come off it guys. It is indeed very frustrating when one asks ``How can I do X'' and gets told ``Don't do X, do Y.'' It may well be the case that doing X is wrong-headed, misleading, and may cause the bridge to fall down, or the world to come to an end. Fair enough to point this out --- but then why not just tell
        the poor beggar, who asked, how to do X?

The only circumstance in which *not* telling the poor beggar how to do X is justified is that in which it takes considerable *work* to figure out how to do X. In this case it is perfectly reasonable to say ``I think doing X is stupid so I am not going to waste my time figuring out for you how to do it.''

I don't know enough about the bootstrapping software (don't know *anything* about it actually) to know whether the foregoing circumstance applies here. But I suspect it doesn't. And I suspect that you (Frank) could tell Michal in a few lines the answer to the question that he *asked* (as opposed, possibly,
        to the question that he should have asked).

If it were my problem I'd just write my own bootstrapping function to apply to the problem in hand. It can't be that hard ... just a for loop and a
        call to sample(...,replace=TRUE).

        If you can write macros in SAS then .....

                cheers,

                        Rolf

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