What about just amputating the final "n?" "Indian" might mean one of two things, but "India" is pretty distinct.
On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 4:10 PM T. A. Milne via R-help <r-help@r-project.org> wrote: > > Apologies to the list for continuing a thread which is clearly off-topic. > However, contacting the maintainer of an R package to complain about this > specific color name seems ill-considered. > > 1) The name "indian red" is a part of widely-used color schemes > everywhere, not just in R. It's the color defined as: > > "The color indianred / Indian red with hexadecimal color code #cd5c5c is a > shade of red. In the RGB color model #cd5c5c is comprised of 80.39% red, > 36.08% green and 36.08% blue. In the HSL color space #cd5c5c has a hue of > 0° (degrees), 53% saturation and 58% lightness. This color has an > approximate wavelength of 611.37 nm." > > https://encycolorpedia.com/cd5c5c > > > 2) The "indian" in the color name refers to ferric oxide, historically > sourced from India. Per Wikipedia: > > "The name Indian red derives from the red laterite soil found in India, > which is composed of naturally occurring iron oxides.[citation needed] The > first recorded use of Indian red as a color term in English was in 1672.[3" > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_red_(color) > > > Given the name refers to the locus of the ferric oxide source, It isn't > obvious that any particular group should be offended by the name. > > > -- T. Arthur Milne > > > > On Nov 16, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Rolf Turner <r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz> > wrote: > > > > On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01 +1100 > > Jim Lemon <drjimle...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Elaine, > >> There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. I > >> don't think that it does anything against racism, sexism or > >> antidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast lexicon > >> to comfort or insult our fellows depending upon the intent of the > >> user. It is the intent that matters, not the poor word. Chasing the > >> words wastes your time, blames those who use the words harmlessly, > >> and gives the real offender time to find another epithet. > >> > > Jim: This is superbly expressed. I wish that I could have said > > that! Your posting should go down in the annals of brilliant rhetoric, > > alongside Dr. Johnson's "Letter to Lord Chesterfield". > > > > cheers, > > > > Rolf > > > You know, I wouldn’t have continued this thread (which has now wandered > off topic from the original somewhat-more-technical question), but I feel > now like it’s necessary to do so (and only fair, if anyone is considering > moderating me after letting these posts by): > > That is a view commonly held by white people, and even more overwhelmingly > by white men. Our field is already not as diverse as it should be for a > variety of reasons, and this “pretending no one else on earth exists” kind > of stuff is at least some part of the reason. The question at issue here > aside, white men complaining about people finding racism or sexism > everywhere they look doesn’t pass the sniff test. Most or all of these > things that people are reporting as offensive are being reported by people > you’re clearly not listening to. > > Further, impact is what matters. If I step on your foot, I apologize, > regardless of whether or not it was intentional, because it’s the right > thing to do. If someone tells you “that thing you’re saying is offensive or > is hurting me” and you say “I didn’t mean it,” and then keep right on doing > it, what does it say to the person on the receiving end of it? All anyone > that is being “blamed,” as you put it, is being asked to do is to try to do > better next time. > > -- > #BlackLivesMatter > ____ > || \\UTGERS, |---------------------------*O*--------------------------- > ||_// the State | Ryan Novosielski - novos...@rutgers.edu > || \\ University | Sr. Technologist - 973/972.0922 (2x0922) ~*~ RBHS Campus > || \\ of NJ | Office of Advanced Research Computing - MSB C630, Newark > `' > > ______________________________________________ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > ______________________________________________ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
