Dear List Members,
I am searching for correlations between a dependent variable and a factor or a combination of factors in a repeated measure design. So I use lme() function in R. However, I am getting very different results depending on whether I add on the lme formula various factors compared to when only one is present. If a factor is found to be significant, shouldn't remain significant also when more factors are introduced in the model? I give an example of the outputs I get using the two models. In the first model I use one single factor: library(nlme) summary(lme(Mode ~ Weight, data = Gravel_ds, random = ~1 | Subject)) Linear mixed-effects model fit by REML Data: Gravel_ds AIC BIC logLik 2119.28 2130.154 -1055.64 Random effects: Formula: ~1 | Subject (Intercept) Residual StdDev: 1952.495 2496.424 Fixed effects: Mode ~ Weight Value Std.Error DF t-value p-value (Intercept) 10308.966 2319.0711 95 4.445299 0.000 Weight -99.036 32.3094 17 -3.065233 0.007 Correlation: (Intr) Weight -0.976 Standardized Within-Group Residuals: Min Q1 Med Q3 Max -1.74326719 -0.41379593 -0.06508451 0.39578734 2.27406649 Number of Observations: 114 Number of Groups: 19 As you can see the p-value for factor Weight is significant. This is the second model, in which I add various factors for searching their correlations: library(nlme) summary(lme(Mode ~ Weight*Height*Shoe_Size*BMI, data = Gravel_ds, random = ~1 | Subject)) Linear mixed-effects model fit by REML Data: Gravel_ds AIC BIC logLik 1975.165 2021.694 -969.5825 Random effects: Formula: ~1 | Subject (Intercept) Residual StdDev: 1.127993 2494.826 Fixed effects: Mode ~ Weight * Height * Shoe_Size * BMI Value Std.Error DF t-value p-value (Intercept) 5115955 10546313 95 0.4850941 0.6287 Weight -13651237 6939242 3 -1.9672518 0.1438 Height -18678 53202 3 -0.3510740 0.7487 Shoe_Size 93427 213737 3 0.4371115 0.6916 BMI -13011088 7148969 3 -1.8199949 0.1663 Weight:Height 28128 14191 3 1.9820883 0.1418 Weight:Shoe_Size 351453 186304 3 1.8864467 0.1557 Height:Shoe_Size -783 1073 3 -0.7298797 0.5183 Weight:BMI 19475 11425 3 1.7045450 0.1868 Height:BMI 226512 118364 3 1.9136867 0.1516 Shoe_Size:BMI 329377 190294 3 1.7308827 0.1819 Weight:Height:Shoe_Size -706 371 3 -1.9014817 0.1534 Weight:Height:BMI -109 63 3 -1.7258742 0.1828 Weight:Shoe_Size:BMI -273 201 3 -1.3596421 0.2671 Height:Shoe_Size:BMI -5858 3200 3 -1.8306771 0.1646 Weight:Height:Shoe_Size:BMI 2 1 3 1.3891782 0.2589 Correlation: (Intr) Weight Height Sho_Sz BMI Wght:H Wg:S_S Hg:S_S Wg:BMI Hg:BMI S_S:BM Wg:H:S_S W:H:BM W:S_S: H:S_S: Weight -0.895 Height -0.996 0.869 Shoe_Size -0.930 0.694 0.933 BMI -0.911 0.998 0.887 0.720 Weight:Height 0.894 -1.000 -0.867 -0.692 -0.997 Weight:Shoe_Size 0.898 -0.997 -0.873 -0.700 -0.999 0.995 Height:Shoe_Size 0.890 -0.612 -0.904 -0.991 -0.641 0.609 0.619 Weight:BMI 0.911 -0.976 -0.887 -0.715 -0.972 0.980 0.965 0.637 Height:BMI 0.900 -1.000 -0.875 -0.703 -0.999 0.999 0.999 0.622 0.973 Shoe_Size:BMI 0.912 -0.992 -0.889 -0.726 -0.997 0.988 0.998 0.649 0.958 0.995 Weight:Height:Shoe_Size -0.901 0.999 0.876 0.704 1.000 -0.997 -1.000 -0.623 -0.971 -1.000 -0.997 Weight:Height:BMI -0.908 0.978 0.886 0.704 0.974 -0.982 -0.968 -0.627 -0.999 -0.975 -0.961 0.973 Weight:Shoe_Size:BMI -0.949 0.941 0.928 0.818 0.940 -0.946 -0.927 -0.751 -0.980 -0.938 -0.924 0.935 0.974 Height:Shoe_Size:BMI -0.901 0.995 0.878 0.707 0.998 -0.992 -1.000 -0.627 -0.960 -0.997 -0.999 0.999 0.964 0.923 Weight:Height:Shoe_Size:BMI 0.952 -0.948 -0.933 -0.812 -0.947 0.953 0.935 0.747 0.985 0.946 0.932 -0.943 -0.980 -0.999 -0.931 Standardized Within-Group Residuals: Min Q1 Med Q3 Max -2.03523736 -0.47889716 -0.02149143 0.41118126 2.20012158 Number of Observations: 114 Number of Groups: 19 This time the p-value associated to Weight is not significant anymore. Why? Which analysis should I trust? In addition, while in the first output the field "value" (which should give me the slope) is -99.036 in the second output it is -13651237. Why they are so different? The one in the first output is the one that seems definitively more reasonable to me. I would very grateful if someone could give me an answer Thanks in advance Angelo [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.