In answer to the several questions: 1. Variance of the random effect: Your example is not reproducable since you didn't give the random number seed. Instead I'll use one of the data sets that comes with the survival package. > library(coxme) > fit <- coxme(Surv(tstart, tstop, status) ~ treat + (1|center), cgd) > VarCorr(fit)$center Intercept 0.1643779
> var(ranef(fit)$center) Intercept [1] 0.06261608 Yes, it is true that for a random effects model, the estimated variance of the random effect is not equal to var(estimated per center effects). Exactly the same is true of a linear mixed effects model: try the same with lmer > library(lme4) > lfit(status ~ treat + (1|center), cgd) > VarCorr(lfit)$center > var(ranef(lfit)$center) Why? It's a statistical insight that took me a while, so I don't think I can explain it over email. Find someone familiar with mixed efffects models and have a chat. 2. coxph(.... +frailty(center)) and coxme give different results. Read the documentation. One of them is fitting a gamma distribution for the random effect, the other a Gaussian. Terry Therneau ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.