As I believe I've said to you before, please cc the list in your replies.
And as Ted said:
So, Gyanendra, what *exactly* is the question? Then it would perhaps
be possible to locate the source of the error message. Or, if the
question was indeed as I originally assumed it to be, what was the
expression which you tried to evaluate? Can you post the commands
which you used, and the output?
I see no expressions, nor commands, nor output. It's highly irregular
for factorial(150) to throw an error message and I for one would like
to know what happened on your machine. Could you also please include
the output of sessionInfo() with your follow up?
To your other question:
gtools::permutations
should get you started. Note that you'll likely need to install and
load the gtools package first.
Michael
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Gyanendra Pokharel
<gyanendra.pokha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Ted and Michael for very good discussion on this topice. You both
> gave very precious explanation. As the rersponse of Ted question my exact
> question is to calculate the number of permutation of n object taking r at a
> time which is given by nPr = n!/(n-r)!, initially when I tred to
> calculate n! = factorial(n), for n = 150, it showed an error that the out
> put is very large and can't store in R, then I became interested, how could
> we explore such a big number in R? I am new user of R, so all of your
> explanations are valuable for me. Now I can calculate such a big number by
> various way. Still, how do we construct the matrix of permutation by uging
> the specific set like I have a set of number (2, 3, 1, 4), there are 4
> elements in the set so that I want to make a random matrix of order 4 by 2^4
> = 16.
> Gyan
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Ted Harding <ted.hard...@wlandres.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> You are correct, Michael! I had (rashly) assumed that Gyanendra's
>> error message was the result of asking for the factorial of a
>> number which was too large, without checking it against the limits.
>> I then embarked on a discussion of large-nymber problems in R as
>> relevant to his type of query.
>>
>> My final section, pointing out the limits as ascertainable in R,
>> in fact (as you point out) shows that factorial(150) is not too
>> large a number; but I did not cross-check with the original query.
>> Apologies for that.
>>
>> In fact, the function factorial() copes perfectly well with his
>> problem (as I understood it -- see below):
>>
>> print(factorial(150),22)
>> # [1] 5.713383956445705e+262
>> ## R will not allow printing to more than 22 digits, whereas you
>> ## really need 262 digits here! Also, you still only see 16.
>>
>> print(factorial(150)/(factorial(10)*factorial(140)),18)
>> # [1] 1169554298222310
>> ## Which is the correct answer (as determined previously)
>>
>> So it would seem that Gyanendra's error message arose when
>> evaluating a different expression, suggesting that perhaps
>> the problem he was trying to solve was not what it seemed
>> to be from his original query:
>>
>> "I have to calculate the number of subset formed by 150
>> samples taking 10 at a time."
>>
>> I had (see my original reply) assumed that what he needed
>> was the number of ways of choosing subsets of size 10 out
>> of a set of size 150. But now it is clear that this should
>> not give rise to that error message,
>>
>> So, Gyanendra, what *exactly* is the question? Then it would
>> perhaps be possible to locte the source of the error message.
>> Or, if the question was indeed as I originally assumed it
>> to be, what was the expression which you tried to evaluate?
>>
>> Can you post the commands which you used, and the output?
>> Ted.
>>
>> On 19-Nov-11 01:25:02, R. Michael Weylandt wrote:
>> > What build of R can't calculate factorial(150)? I thought the max
>> > double of a 32 bit build would be on the order of 10^308 ~ 2^1024 (the
>> > material below seems to agree with me on this)
>> >
>> > But yes, agreed with Ted: it's very helpful to think a bit about what
>> > you are calculating when doing these sorts of large number
>> > calculations before asking for the accurate calculation of huge
>> > numbers.
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Ted Harding <ted.hard...@wlandres.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >> On 18-Nov-11 16:03:44, Gyanendra Pokharel wrote:
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>> why factorial(150) shows the error out of range in 'gammafn'?
>> >>> I have to calculate the number of subset formed by 150 samples
>> >>> taking 10 at a time. How is this possible?
>> >>> best
>> >>
>> >> Because factorial(150) is nearly 10^263, which is far greater
>> >> than any number that R is capable of storing.
>> >>
>> >> I would, perhaps, suggest you work with lgamma(), the logarithm
>> >> (to base e) of the Gamma function.
>> >>
>> >> Thus factorial(150) = gamma(151), and
>> >>
>> >> _lgamma(151)
>> >> _# [1] 605.0201
>> >>
>> >> so factorial(150) is close to e^605; to get it as a power of 10:
>> >>
>> >> _lgamma(151)*log10(exp(1))
>> >> _# [1] 262.7569
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hence the "nearly 10^263" above.
>> >>
>> >> If your question means "the number of ways of choosing 10 out
>> >> of 150, then, using lgamma(), its log to base e is:
>> >>
>> >> _lgamma(151) - lgamma(11) - lgamma(141)
>> >> _# [1] 34.6954
>> >>
>> >> and its log to base 10 is:
>> >>
>> >> _(lgamma(151) - lgamma(11) - lgamma(141))*log10(exp(1))
>> >> _# [1] 15.06802
>> >>
>> >> so the result is about 10^15 which *is* within R's range.
>> >>
>> >> Hence:
>> >>
>> >> _10^( (lgamma(151) - lgamma(11) - lgamma(141))*log10(exp(1)) )
>> >> _# 1.169554e+15
>> >>
>> >> You can see this (approximately) in an all-digits form by
>> >> using print():
>> >>
>> >> _X <- 10^( (lgamma(151) - lgamma(11) - lgamma(141))*log10(exp(1)) )
>> >> _print(X,18)
>> >> _# [1] 1169554298222353
>> >>
>> >> However, in many cases (such as your example) it will be feasible
>> >> to exploit the reduction in numbers of factors if you cancel out
>> >> the factors in the larger denominator factorial from the numerator
>> >> factorial, so that the number you want is
>> >>
>> >> _150*149*148*147*146*145*144*143*142*141/(10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1)
>> >>
>> >> = (150/10)*(149/9)*(148/8)* ... *(142/2)*(141/1)
>> >>
>> >> for which you can define a function nCr(n,r):
>> >>
>> >> _nCr <- function(n,r){
>> >> _ _num <- (n:(n-r+1))
>> >> _ _den <- (r:1)
>> >> _ _prod(num/den)
>> >> _}
>> >>
>> >> and then:
>> >>
>> >> _print(nCr(150,10),18)
>> >> _# [1] 1169554298222310
>> >>
>> >> which is not quite the same as the result 1169554298222353
>> >> obtained above using lgamma(). This is because the previous
>> >> result is affected by rounding errors occuring in the
>> >> logarithms. The result obtained using the function nCr() is
>> >> exact. However, it can fail in its turn if you want one of
>> >> the larger possible results, such as nCr(1000,500):
>> >>
>> >> _nCr(1500,750)
>> >> _# [1] Inf
>> >>
>> >> since the result is too large for R to store (the largest on
>> >> my machine is about 2*10^308, see below)), and the products
>> >> in the function definition accumulate until this number is
>> >> exceeded.
>> >>
>> >> You can find out the limits of R storage on your machine
>> >> by using the command
>> >>
>> >> _.Machine
>> >>
>> >> which gives a long list of the characteristics of the machine
>> >> you are using. In particular, you will see:
>> >>
>> >> _$double.xmax
>> >> _[1] 1.797693e+308
>> >>
>> >> is the largest number that R will store; and:
>> >>
>> >> _$double.eps
>> >> _[1] 2.220446e-16
>> >>
>> >> which is the smallest positive number; and:
>> >>
>> >> _$double.neg.eps
>> >> _[1] 1.110223e-16
>> >>
>> >> which is the smallest negative number (note that the latter
>> >> is half the former).
>> >>
>> >> They can be individually accessed as:
>> >>
>> >> _.Machine$double.xmax
>> >> _# [1] 1.797693e+308
>> >>
>> >> _.Machine$double.eps
>> >> _# [1] 2.220446e-16
>> >>
>> >> _.Machine$double.neg.eps
>> >> _# [1] 1.110223e-16
>> >>
>> >> Hoping this helps!
>> >> Ted.
>> >>
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