Thank you for your comment, Prof. Harrell.I would appreciate it very much if you could teach me how to simulate for the estimation. For reference, following codes are what I did (bootcov, summary, and validation).
MyFullModel.boot <- bootcov(MyFullModel, B=1000, coef.reps=T)
> summary(MyFullModel, stenosis=c(70, 80), x1=c(1.5, 2.0), x2=c(1.5, 2.0))
Effects Response : outcome
Factor Low High Diff. Effect S.E. Lower 0.95 Upper 0.95
stenosis 70.0 80 10.0 -0.11 0.24 -0.59 0.37
Odds Ratio 70.0 80 10.0 0.90 NA 0.56 1.45
x1 1.5 2 0.5 1.21 0.37 0.49 1.94
Odds Ratio 1.5 2 0.5 3.36 NA 1.63 6.95
x2 1.5 2 0.5 -0.29 0.19 -0.65 0.08
Odds Ratio 1.5 2 0.5 0.75 NA 0.52 1.08
ClinicalScore 3.0 5 2.0 0.61 0.38 -0.14 1.36
Odds Ratio 3.0 5 2.0 1.84 NA 0.87 3.89
procedure - CA:CE 2.0 1 NA 0.83 0.46 -0.07 1.72
Odds Ratio 2.0 1 NA 2.28 NA 0.93 5.59
> summary(MyFullModel.boot, stenosis=c(70, 80), x1=c(1.5, 2.0),
x2=c(1.5, 2.0))
Effects Response : outcome
Factor Low High Diff. Effect S.E. Lower 0.95 Upper 0.95
stenosis 70.0 80 10.0 -0.11 0.28 -0.65 0.43
Odds Ratio 70.0 80 10.0 0.90 NA 0.52 1.54
x1 1.5 2 0.5 1.21 0.29 0.65 1.77
Odds Ratio 1.5 2 0.5 3.36 NA 1.92 5.89
x2 1.5 2 0.5 -0.29 0.16 -0.59 0.02
Odds Ratio 1.5 2 0.5 0.75 NA 0.55 1.02
ClinicalScore 3.0 5 2.0 0.61 0.45 -0.28 1.50
Odds Ratio 3.0 5 2.0 1.84 NA 0.76 4.47
procedure - CAS:CEA 2.0 1 NA 0.83 0.38 0.07 1.58
Odds Ratio 2.0 1 NA 2.28 NA 1.08 4.85
> validate(MyFullModel, bw=F, B=1000)
index.orig training test optimism index.corrected n
Dxy 0.6425 0.7054 0.6122 0.0932 0.5493 1000
R2 0.3270 0.3745 0.3330 0.0415 0.2855 1000
Intercept 0.0000 0.0000 0.0683 -0.0683 0.0683 1000
Slope 1.0000 1.0000 1.0465 -0.0465 1.0465 1000
Emax 0.0000 0.0000 0.0221 0.0221 0.0221 1000
D 0.2715 0.2795 0.2424 0.0371 0.2345 1000
U -0.0192 -0.0192 -0.0035 -0.0157 -0.0035 1000
Q 0.2908 0.2987 0.2460 0.0528 0.2380 1000
B 0.1265 0.1164 0.1332 -0.0168 0.1433 1000
g 1.3366 1.5041 1.5495 -0.0455 1.3821 1000
gp 0.2082 0.2172 0.2258 -0.0087 0.2169 1000
> validate(MyFullModel.boot, bw=F, B=1000)
index.orig training test optimism index.corrected n
Dxy 0.6425 0.7015 0.6139 0.0877 0.5549 1000
R2 0.3270 0.3738 0.3346 0.0392 0.2878 1000
Intercept 0.0000 0.0000 0.0613 -0.0613 0.0613 1000
Slope 1.0000 1.0000 1.0569 -0.0569 1.0569 1000
Emax 0.0000 0.0000 0.0226 0.0226 0.0226 1000
D 0.2715 0.2805 0.2438 0.0367 0.2348 1000
U -0.0192 -0.0192 -0.0039 -0.0153 -0.0039 1000
Q 0.2908 0.2997 0.2477 0.0521 0.2387 1000
B 0.1265 0.1177 0.1329 -0.0153 0.1417 1000
g 1.3366 1.5020 1.5523 -0.0503 1.3869 1000
gp 0.2082 0.2191 0.2263 -0.0072 0.2154 1000
(11/05/16 22:01), Frank Harrell wrote:
The choice is not clear, and requires some simulations to estimate the average absolute error of the covariance matrix estimators. Frank 細田弘吉 wrote:Thank you for your reply, Prof. Harrell. I agree with you. Dropping only one variable does not actually help a lot. I have one more question. During analysis of this model I found that the confidence intervals (CIs) of some coefficients provided by bootstrapping (bootcov function in rms package) was narrower than CIs provided by usual variance-covariance matrix and CIs of other coefficients wider. My data has no cluster structure. I am wondering which CIs are better. I guess bootstrapping one, but is it right? I would appreciate your help in advance. -- KH (11/05/16 12:25), Frank Harrell wrote:I think you are doing this correctly except for one thing. The validation and other inferential calculations should be done on the full model. Use the approximate model to get a simpler nomogram but not to get standard errors. With only dropping one variable you might consider just running the nomogram on the entire model. Frank KH wrote:Hi, I am trying to construct a logistic regression model from my data (104 patients and 25 events). I build a full model consisting of five predictors with the use of penalization by rms package (lrm, pentrace etc) because of events per variable issue. Then, I tried to approximate the full model by step-down technique predicting L from all of the componet variables using ordinary least squares (ols in rms package) as the followings. I would like to know whether I am doing right or not.library(rms) plogit<- predict(full.model) full.ols<- ols(plogit ~ stenosis+x1+x2+ClinicalScore+procedure, sigma=1) fastbw(full.ols, aics=1e10)Deleted Chi-Sq d.f. P Residual d.f. P AIC R2 stenosis 1.41 1 0.2354 1.41 1 0.2354 -0.59 0.991 x2 16.78 1 0.0000 18.19 2 0.0001 14.19 0.882 procedure 26.12 1 0.0000 44.31 3 0.0000 38.31 0.711 ClinicalScore 25.75 1 0.0000 70.06 4 0.0000 62.06 0.544 x1 83.42 1 0.0000 153.49 5 0.0000 143.49 0.000 Then, fitted an approximation to the full model using most imprtant variable (R^2 for predictions from the reduced model against the original Y drops below 0.95), that is, dropping "stenosis".full.ols.approx<- ols(plogit ~ x1+x2+ClinicalScore+procedure) full.ols.approx$statsn Model L.R. d.f. R2 g Sigma 104.0000000 487.9006640 4.0000000 0.9908257 1.3341718 0.1192622 This approximate model had R^2 against the full model of 0.99. Therefore, I updated the original full logistic model dropping "stenosis" as predictor.full.approx.lrm<- update(full.model, ~ . -stenosis)validate(full.model, bw=F, B=1000)index.orig training test optimism index.corrected n Dxy 0.6425 0.7017 0.6131 0.0887 0.5539 1000 R2 0.3270 0.3716 0.3335 0.0382 0.2888 1000 Intercept 0.0000 0.0000 0.0821 -0.0821 0.0821 1000 Slope 1.0000 1.0000 1.0548 -0.0548 1.0548 1000 Emax 0.0000 0.0000 0.0263 0.0263 0.0263 1000validate(full.approx.lrm, bw=F, B=1000)index.orig training test optimism index.corrected n Dxy 0.6446 0.6891 0.6265 0.0626 0.5820 1000 R2 0.3245 0.3592 0.3428 0.0164 0.3081 1000 Intercept 0.0000 0.0000 0.1281 -0.1281 0.1281 1000 Slope 1.0000 1.0000 1.1104 -0.1104 1.1104 1000 Emax 0.0000 0.0000 0.0444 0.0444 0.0444 1000 Validatin revealed this approximation was not bad. Then, I made a nomogram.full.approx.lrm.nom<- nomogram(full.approx.lrm,fun.at=c(0.05,0.1,0.2,0.4,0.6,0.8,0.9,0.95), fun=plogis)plot(full.approx.lrm.nom)Another nomogram using ols model,full.ols.approx.nom<- nomogram(full.ols.approx,fun.at=c(0.05,0.1,0.2,0.4,0.6,0.8,0.9,0.95), fun=plogis)plot(full.ols.approx.nom)These two nomograms are very similar but a little bit different. My questions are; 1. Am I doing right? 2. Which nomogram is correct I would appreciate your help in advance. -- KH ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.----- Frank Harrell Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University -- View this message in context: http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/Question-on-approximations-of-full-logistic-regression-model-tp3524294p3525372.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.E-mail address Office: khos...@med.kobe-u.ac.jp Home : khos...@venus.dti.ne.jp ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.----- Frank Harrell Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University -- View this message in context: http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/Question-on-approximations-of-full-logistic-regression-model-tp3524294p3526155.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
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