OK…
My Grandfather, who was a farmer, was outstanding in his field…
Cheers…
Murray M Cooper, PhD wrote:
For what its worth!
A good friend who also happens to be an ecologist
told me "An ecologist is a statistician who likes to be
outside".
Murray M Cooper, Phd
Richland Statistics
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Simpson"
<gavin.simp...@ucl.ac.uk>
To: "Bert Gunter" <gunter.ber...@gene.com>
Cc: <r-help@r-project.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [R] Why software fails in scientific research
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 11:17 -0700, Bert Gunter wrote:
Just one small additional note below ...
Bert Gunter
Genentech Nonclinical Biostatistics
"But a lot of academics are not going to "waste" their time
documenting code
properly, so others can reap the benefits of it. They would rather
get on
with
the next project, to get the next paper. "
-- Indeed. My personal experience over 3 decades in industrial
(private)
research is that data analysis is viewed as relatively
unimportant/straightforward/pedestrian and is left to technicians (or
postdocs) -- often with what is done being largely dictated by the
conventions of a particular journal or discipline. The lab heads and
research directors are responsible for the grand research strategies,
managing resources, etc. and don't want to waste much time on
something that
routine. So worrying about reproducibility of data analysis "code"
(if there
is any, given the use of GUI software like Excel) falls beneath
their radar.
Clearly there are disciplines (e.g. ecology?) where this may NOT be the
case.
If ecology is anything to go by (and I am an ecologist, sort of, just
about), there is a large body of the community doing things because i)
that is how they've always been done, or ii) because that's what
reviewers/editors expect etc. with a much smaller group of researchers
pushing at the boundaries (of their field) to use techniques
statisticians and the like have been using for a very long time.
Reproducible research is still very much in the (very, very) small
minority of the work I come across reviewing papers etc. But I am
encouraged by the number of people I know who are starting to use tools
like R to conduct their research.
-- Bert
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